From Inside-Out to Outside-In:
Aligning teams around what matters
Fast Flow Conf NL
27th March 2025
Rich Allen
Curator of userneedsmapping.com
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Are our teams truly structured to
deliver what matters most…
…value to our customers!
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…inspired by…
Inside Out
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Who am I?
Rich Allen
Founder at Conjurer - conjurersolutions.co.uk
Team Topologies Valued Practitioner
Creator/Curator of “User Needs Mapping”
userneedsmapping.com
LinkedIn: richardallen
Bluesky: @richallen.info
Web: https://richallen.info
Personal mission: “Bring more joy into people’s lives at work and help teams be more effective”
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The Solution: Shifting to Outside-In Thinking
A Real World Example
Key Takeaways
The Problem: Inside-Out Thinking
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Riley (11)
…is controlled by
her core
emotions…
Goofball
Hockey
Family Friendship
…these influence
and shape her
“Islands of
Personality”…
…organizations are structured around key aspects of their identity
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The Problem:
Inside-Out Thinking
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Organizations Are Like Riley’s Mind
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Joy (CEO)
Wants everything to be
positive - ignoring risks
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Fear (Legal)
Blocks new ideas due to
potential risk.
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Anger (IT/Ops)
Gets frustrated with
unrealistic demands.
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Disgust
(Marketing)
Focused on brand
perception, not actual user
experience.
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Sadness
(Customer
Support/HR)
Sees the real problems but
gets ignored.
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Which Emotion Dominates Your Org?
Joy Fear Anger Disgust Sadness
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Is each department optimizing for it’s own success?
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Consequences of Inside-Out Thinking
Results: Slow delivery, misalignment,
lack of real user focus!
IT fights with
marketing
Leadership pushes for
unrealistic goals
Legal blocks
innovation
Support/HR
get ignored
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A move to San Francisco
triggers a change…
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…this causes Riley’s
Personality Islands to
start to collapse…
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…and the core emotions don’t know what to do…
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When the World Changes, Silos Break Down
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Inside-Out
Thinking
Outside-In
Thinking
vs
Blockbuster
Nokia
Netflix
Apple
Optimized for:
Running video stores
Selling phones
Optimized for:
How people wanted to
watch movies
How people wanted to
experience technology
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focus on
Inside-Out, fall behind.
shift to
Outside-In, thrive!
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Organizations that…
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Learning from
Inside-Out…
…moving to
Outside-In
Stop asking:
“How do we optimize
our teams?”
Start asking:
“What do our
users actually need?”
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The Solution:
Shifting from Inside-Out
to Outside-In Thinking
(with User Needs Mapping)
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Step 1: Define the purpose:
“Understand our current landscape”
Riley (11)
Social
Belonging
Personal
Growth &
Achievement
Emotional
Resilience
Trust &
Integrity
Joy &
Playfulness
Security &
Support
Step 2: Identify the users:
Step 3: Define the user
needs:
“Riley”
User Needs Mapping Steps
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Step 4: Map capabilities
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Add a value chain
axis.
Start with one user
need, identify the
capabilities used
to meet that need
Step 4: Map capabilities
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…continue adding
more capabilities,
connecting
common
dependencies…
Step 4: Map capabilities
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…keep adding
capabilities until
your map starts to
resemble your
current
“Big Ball of Mud”…
Step 4: Map capabilities
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…overlay existing
teams and tech
systems to provide
insights about
current cognitive
load and context
switching…
Step 5: Analyze dependencies
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…rearrange the
capabilities to
identify potential
clusters…
Step 5: Analyze dependencies
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…identify potential
candidate team
boundaries by
overlaying Team
Topologies team
types…
Step 6: Overlay Team Types
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…simplify clusters
of capabilities to
simplify the
User Needs Map to
enable a broader
system view…
Step 7: Iterate and scale
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…expand
capabilities where
it adds value to do
so…
Step 7: Iterate and scale
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A Real World Example
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Typical org chart with functional silos
“How can we scale, innovate and adapt
effectively with motivated happy people?”
Erica Engelen
Rich Allen
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3 Day on-site
workshop +
3 month deep
dive workshops
User Needs Map
Current and Future State
Team Interaction Modelling
Independent Service Heuristics
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Sample User Need Maps
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Organizing for faster flow
“User Needs Mapping helped teams see
where they are adding value which gives
a new spark to team members to
participate in a dialogue”
Ingibjörg Rafnar Pétursdóttir, Director, Blue Lagoon, Iceland
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Continuous Evolution: Lessons from Inside Out 2
The Evolution of the Islands in Inside Out 2
Inside-Out 2…PUBERTY ALERT!!
WARNING! Change is inevitable!
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Riley (13)
Self-
Expression / fitting in
Belonging, admiration,
shared passions
Anticipation,
comparison,
reputation
Self-
Protection, social
signalling
Emotional fatigue,
disengagement
New User Needs
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Riley (13)
New Emotions
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Goofball
Hockey
Family
Friendship
Honesty
The Personality Islands…
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Goofball
Hockey
Family
Friendship
Honesty
…begin to crumble!
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Add the new user
needs to the map…
Step 7: Iterate and scale
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Add the new
capabilities,
emotions and
Islands of
Personality -
the new
Big Ball of Mud
Step 7: Iterate and scale
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“Complex emotions” form the
foundation of of new behaviours
“Personal growth” evolves to
“Identity and Performance”
“Friendship” expands to include
“Fitting in”
“Creativity & Fun” includes
“Sarcasm”
“Emotional Integrity” handles
disengagement and boredom
Step 7: Iterate and scale
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Real-world 2…AI ALERT!!
How does your organization adapt to change?
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Key Takeaways
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Do what Simon says…
“This is really positive. I know it's not the full map but even thinking
about the users, their needs and chain of components is a
transformational change for many…
…give it some love.”
- Simon Wardley
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Me (X): “Thank you. I’m sorry it’s not really a map but I still
called it mapping.. “
Simon: “It doesn't matter whether it's a map or not, the
question is always whether it is useful”
I’m sorry Simon…
Simon: “Love User Needs Mapping, good job!”
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Me (X): “‘User Needs Graphing’ didn’t quite sound right.”
Me (X): “If you squint the team boundaries could be countries?”
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focus on
Inside-Out, fall behind.
shift to
Outside-In, thrive!
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Organizations that…
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❌ Stop asking:
“How do we optimize our teams?”
☑Start asking:
“What do our users actually need?”
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What is one change you can make
tomorrow to align your teams
more closely with user needs?
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Thank you!
Let’s Connect…
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LinkedIn: richardallen
Bluesky: @richallen.info
Web: https://richaallen.info
https://userneedsmapping.com
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