Squadにおける PO/PdMとエンジニアの協業 - プロダクトオーナー祭り2021 Spring - PO祭り2021Spring

by Takahiro Fujii

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Takahiro Fujii Squadʹ͓͚Δ  PO/PdMͱΤϯδχΞͷڠۀ 2021/03/13 1

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ࣗݾ঺հ • ౻Ҫوߒ(Takahiro Fujii) • VPoEͱͯ͠ɺWealthParkͷΤϯδχΞ૊৫Λ౷ׅ • PO / PdMͰ͸ͳ͍Ͱ͢🙇 • ૊৫ઃܭ΍ϓϩμΫτ։ൃΛ࣮ߦ͢Δ্Ͱɺ  ঢ়گʹԠͨ͡࠷దͳ૊৫ମܥΛPO / PdMͱ໛ࡧ͍ͯ͠·͢ɻ 2

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૊৫঺հ • ໿20 - 30໊ͷϓϩμΫτ / ΤϯδχΞ/ σβΠϯ૊৫ • ૊৫͕֦େத • ϓϩμΫτɺϓϩδΣΫτͷ਺΋૿͖͍͑ͯͯ·͢ • 9ׂ͕ւ֎ͷํ 3

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ࠓ೔ͷൃදͷ໨త • Spotify ModelͷChapterͱSquadΛྫʹɺΫϩεϑΝϯΫγϣφϧνʔϜʹͭ ͍ͯߟ͑Δɻ 4

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Spotify Model ͝ଘ஌Ͱ͔͢? 5

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Spotify Model 6 https://blog.crisp.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SpotifyScaling.pdf

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Spotify Model • 2012೥10݄ʹެ։͞ΕͨɺSpotifyͷAgile։ൃʹؔ͢ΔࢿྉͷதͰ঺հ͞Ε͍ͯΔ૊৫ମܥɻ(೔ຊޠ༁͞Ε ͨهࣄ΋͋Γ·͢ɻ) • ͦΕҎ߱Spotify͕໌֬ʹ͜ͷ૊৫ମܥΛҡ͍࣋ͯ͠Δ໌֬ͳൃද͸ͳ͘ɺ࣮ࡍʹͲ͜·Ͱ͜ͷ૊৫ମܥ͕׆ ͔͞Ε͍ͯΔ͔͕ෆ໌ͳɺ΍΍ݬͷ૊৫ମܥɻ • ࣮ࡍ͸͜Μͳ૊৫ମܥͰଘࡏ͠ͳ͍͠ɺਅࣅ͢Δ΂͖Ͱ͸ͳ͍ͱ͍ͬͨهࣄ΋͋Δɻ • ೔ຊͰ͸͋·Γଟ͘ͳ͍͕ɺҰํͰ͍͔ͭ͘ͷاۀͰ͸Spotify ModelͰ঺հ͞Ε͍ͯΔ૊৫ମܥʹӨڹΛ͏ ͚ΔܗͰSpotify Modelʹొ৔͢ΔSquad, Chapterͷ֓೦ΛऔΓೖΕ͍ͯͨΓ͢Δɻ(༗໊ॴͩͱMonzoͱ͔) • ຊ࣭͸ΫϩεϑΝϯΫγϣφϧνʔϜͷ࡞Γํɺ࣏ࣗͷ࿩ɻSpotify Modelͱ͍͏ݴ༿ʹनΘΕͣɺͲ͏Ϋϩ εϑΝϯΫγϣφϧνʔϜΛ࡞͍͔ͬͯ͘ɺͱ͍͏؍఺Ͱ͓࿩Λฉ͍͍͚ͯͨͩΕ͹޾͍Ͱ͢ɻ 7 ݪจ : https://blog.crisp.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SpotifyScaling.pdf ݪจ೔ຊޠ༁ : https://lean-trenches.com/scaling-agile-at-spotify-ja/

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Takahiro Fujii ΫϩεϑΝϯΫγϣφϧνʔϜʹ͓͚Δ  PO/PdMͱΤϯδχΞͷڠۀ 2021/03/13 8

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9 Spotify ModelͷϝΠϯͰ͋Δ2ͭͷ૊৫ ৬ೳผTeam(Chapter) υϝΠϯ/ϓϩμΫτผTeam(Squad)

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৬ೳผ Team (Chapter) 10

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৬ೳ/໾ׂผνʔϜ(Chapter) 11

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৬ೳ/໾ׂผνʔϜ(Chapter) 12 • Chapter͸৬ೳɾ໾ׂผͷਫฏܕͷ૊৫Ͱ͢ɻྫ͑͹ɺ Product Chapter, FrontEnd ChapterͩͬͨΓɺBackend Chapter, QA Chapter͕͋Γ·͢ɻChapterΛձࣾͷ1෦ ॺɺνʔϜͱͯ͠ఆٛ͢Δ૊৫΋ൺֱతଟ͍ͱࢥ͍·͢ɻ • Chapter͸ಉ͡Α͏ͳεΩϧηοτΛ࣋ͬͨਓͰߏ੒͞Ε Δҝɺઐ໳Ոಉ࢜Ͱͷ՝୊ͷڞ༗΍ɺ໨ઢ߹ΘͤͳͲ ͸ɺ֤ChapterͰߦΘΕΔ͜ͱ͕ଟ͍Ͱ͢ɻΤϯδχΞͩ ͱίʔυϨϏϡʔɺϓϩμΫτνʔϜͩͱPRDͷϨϏϡʔ (ϓϩμΫτ؍఺Ͱͷ)ͳͲ͕ChapterؒͰߦΘΕΔ͜ͱ͕ ͋Γ·͢ɻ • ͜ͷઆ໌ΛݟΔݶΓɺChapter͸ࢸͬͯී௨ͷνʔϜͷΑ ͏ʹײ͡ΒΕΔ͔΋͠Ε·ͤΜɻ

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ΫϩεϑΝϯΫγϣφϧνʔϜ(Squad) 13

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ΫϩεϑΝϯΫγϣφϧνʔϜ(Squad) 14 • Spotify ModelͷҰͭͷಛ௃͸໌֬ʹSquadͱ͍͏ ૊৫Λఆ͍ٛͯ͠Δ͜ͱͰ͢ɻSquad͸ɺਨ௚ܕ ͷ૊৫Ͱɺ͋ΔυϝΠϯ΍ϓϩμΫτ΍ػೳʹର ͯ͠ಇ͘ɺ৬੹ࠞ߹ͷ1νʔϜͷ͜ͱΛࢦ͠·͢ɻ  SquadͷΑ͏ʹ໌֬ʹ໊લ͕ͳ͘ͱ΋ɺϓϩδΣ Ϋτɺ͋Δ͍͸ϓϩμΫτνʔϜͱ͍͏ܗͰɺ ༷ʑͳ໾ׂͷϝϯόʔ(PDM, FrontEnd, BackEnd, QA, etc..)͕Ұॹʹ࢓ࣄ͢Δ͜ͱ͕͋Δͱࢥ͍· ͢ɻ • Spotify ModelͰ͸ͦͷΑ͏ͳू߹Λɺ໌֬ʹ Squadͱ͍͏૊৫ͱͯ͠ఆ͍ٛͯ͠·͢ɻ

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ΫϩεϑΝϯΫγϣφϧνʔϜ(Squad) 15 • PO / PdM͸ԣͰͷҙࢥૄ௨΍࿈ܞΛͱ Γ֤ͭͭSquadͰͷϓϩμΫτ։ൃΛ ਐΊ͍͖ͯ·͢ɻ(ہॴ࠷దʹͳΒͳΓ ͗͢ͳ͍Α͏ʹؾΛ͚ͭΔඞཁ͸͋Δ) • ؔ৺ࣄͱ͍͏ͷ͸ɺSquad͸ผʹϓϩ μΫτͰ͸ͳͯ͘΋ྑ͍ͱ͍͏͜ͱͰ ͢ɻ(ྫ͑͹ɺUser Onboarding Squad ͳͲ) ࢀߟ : େن໛૊৫ʹ͓͚Διϑτ΢ΣΞ։ൃͷޡղͦͷ̏ɿνʔϜͷࢹ໺͸ڱͯ͘ྑ͍͔ɺϓϩμΫτશମΛݟΔ΂͖͔? https://scrummaster.jp/misconception-3-should-our-team-see-a-narrow-view-or-a-whole-product-view-jp/

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Chapter ✖ Squad 16

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ී௨͡Όͳ͍? 17

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Πϝʔδ͸͜Μͳײ͡ 18

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ΫϩεϑΝϯΫγϣφϧνʔϜ(Squad)͕ϝΠϯ 19 • SquadΛ໌֬ʹ”૊৫”ͯ͠ఆٛ͢Δ͜ ͱͰɺଟ͘ͷ৔߹Squad͸Chapterͷ લʹདྷ·͢ɻSprint͸SquadͰճ͠ɺ ଟ͘ͷܾఆ͸SquadͰࣗ૸Ͱ͖ΔΑ ͏ʹݖݶҕৡ͠·͢ɻ • Leader, Manager͸֤ΤϯδχΞΛα ϙʔτ͢Δ(͋͘·Ͱαϙʔτ)ɻࣗ૸ ͋Γ͖ɻ

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Αͦ͞͏ͳ఺ 20 • PO / PdM͸ཁ݅ఆٛͷஈ֊͔ΒSquadͷશͯͷEngineerΛר͖ࠐΈɺϦϦʔε·Ͱฒ૸ͯ͠ϓϩμΫτ։ൃΛਐ ΊΔ͜ͱ͕Ͱ͖ΔɻΤϯδχΞͷώΤϥϧΩʔΈ͍ͨͳ΋ͷΛײ͡Δॠؒ͸΄΅ͳ͍(ͱࢥ͏)ɻ • ૊৫ͷ࣏ࣗɺࣗݾ૊৫Խͷਪਐ  ໌֬ʹSquadͷࣗ཯ɾࣗݾ૊৫ԽΛਪਐͰ͖Δɻͦͯ͠τϨʔυΦϑʹ໨ΛᛉΕ͹ɺൺֱతͦͷޮՌ͸͙͢ʹग़ ࢝ΊΔɻ • ݸʑͷ੹೚ײ/Φʔφʔγοϓͷৢ੒  Squadͷࣗ཯ੑʹ൐͍ɺϝϯόʔ͸ߴ͍ظ଴஋ɾ੹೚͕༩͑ΒΕ͍ͯΔ͜ͱΛଟ͘ͷ৔߹࣮ײ͢Δɻେ͖ͳ૊৫ Ͱ΋ɺελʔτΞοϓͷΑ͏ͳ੹೚Λ͜͜ͷϝϯόʔʹ༩͑Δ͜ͱ͕Ͱ͖Δɻ • Squadͱͯ͠ɺখن໛ͳಠཱͨ͠૊৫Ͱߴ͍ੜ࢈ੑΛൃش͢Δ(Ͱ͖ͳ͍͜ͱ΋͋Δ)  Squad͕Ұ౓ϫʔΫ͢ΔͱɺͦͷSquad͸ඇৗʹߴ͍ੜ࢈ੑɺΞ΢τϓοτΛग़͠͏Δɻୠ͠ɺશͯͷSquad͕ ͜ͷঢ়ଶʹͳΔ͜ͱ͸ඇৗʹ೉͍͠ɻ

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೰·͍͠఺ 21 جຊతʹ͸ߴ͍Autonomy(࣏ࣗ)ʹର͢ΔτϨʔυΦϑ  • Alignmentͷόϥϯε  جຊతʹ͸ɺͲ͜·Ͱ͍ͬͯ΋Alignment͸Squad͕ແ͍ঢ়ଶΑΓ΋ྼΔɻͦͷதͰɺAlingmentͷϨϕϧΛ૊৫ͱͯ͠Ͳ͜·ͰٻΊΔ͔ɺͱ͍͏όϥ ϯεײ͕ඇৗʹ೉͍͠ɻ • ߴ͍Agileʹରͯ͠ͷཧղ  ֤Squadʹɺগͳ͘ͱ΋Agileʹର͢Δ͋Δఔ౓ͷཧղ͕ٻΊΒΕΔɻAgileʹର͢Δཧղ͕ͳ͍ঢ়ଶͰ͸ɺSquad͸্ख͘ػೳ͠ͳ͍͜ͱ͕ଟ͍ɻձ ࣾ૊৫Ͱߟ͑ͨ࣌ʹɺAgileͷExpert͸গͳ͔Β͍ͣΔͱ͸ࢥ͏͕ɺ1Squadʹ1ਓ͍Δ͔ͱͳΔͱɺ೉͍͠έʔε΋͋Δɻ • ؒҧͬͨࣗ཯Λ੍ޚͰ͖ͳ͍Մೳੑ  ߴ͍ࣗ཯ੑ͸૊৫Λ࣍ͷϨϕϧʹҾ্͖͛ΔҝʹඞཁͰ͕͢ɺཱ͍ࣗͯ͠Δ֤Squad͕ਖ਼͍͠ಓΛาΜͰ͍Δͷ͔ʹৗʹؾΛ഑Δඞཁ͕͋Γ·͢ɻྫ ͑ߴ͍ࣗ཯ੑ͕͋ͬͨͱͯ͠΋ɺํ޲ੑ͕߹͍ͬͯͳ͚Ε͹ɺ࠷ऴతʹࣦഊͯ͠͠·͏Մೳੑ͕͋Γ·͢ɻ • Squadؒͷίϛϡχέʔγϣϯͷ೉қ౓  SquadΛผʹͯ͠΋ɺ൚༻తͳAPI͕૿͖͑ͯͨΓͯ͠ɺ݁ہSquadؒͰͷίϛϡχέʔγϣϯ͸͋Δఔ౓ඞཁʹͳΔɻ(൚༻APIΛผSquadʹ෼͚Δ͜ ͱ΋Մೳ͕ͩɺࠓͷΤϯδχΞϦιʔεతʹෳ਺SquadΛ݉຿ͤ͟ΔΛಘͳ͘ͳΔͷͰɺ͋·Γޮ཰తͰ͸ͳ͍)

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਎΋֖΋ͳ͍͜ ͱΛ࠷ޙʹ 22

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23 • Spotify Modelͷݪจʹ͸࣍ͷ৘ใ͕ॻ͔Ε͍ͯ·͢ɻ  Spotify͸ඇৗʹٸ੒௕͍ͯ͠·͢ - 3೥ؒͰ30ਓ͔Β250ਓͷٕज़৬ʹ੒௕͠·ͨ͠ɻ • ͜ΕΛॻ͍͍ͯΔ࣌఺Ͱɺ250ਓن໛ͷ։ൃ૊৫Ͱ͢ɻ࠷ॳʹ΋ॻ͍͍ͯ·͕͢ɺ Spotify Model͸ൺֱతେن໛ͳ૊৫ʹ͓͍ͯAgileΛ࣮ݱ͠Α͏ͱ͍ͯ͠Δํ๏Ͱ ͢ɻྫ͑͹ɺ๻Βͷ૊৫͸20ਓڧͰ͢ɻ20ਓڧͰ͜ͷΤοηϯεΛऔΓೖΕ͍ͯΔ͜ ͱͱɺ250ਓͰ͜ΕΛ΍ΔͷͰ͸ɺࣅͯඇͳΔ෦෼͕୔ࢁ͋Γ·͢ɻ • ฐࣾͷ৔߹͸Chapterϕʔεͷ։ൃϑϩʔ͔ΒɺΑΓPO/PdMͱμΠϨΫτʹ։ൃΛ ਐΊ͍ͨͱ͍͏໨తͰSpotify ModelͷҰ෦Λྲྀ༻͍ͯ͠·͢ɻ

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Summary 24 • ࣏ࣗ΍ࣗ༝ͱΞϥΠϯϝϯτͷόϥϯεΛݕ౼͢Δ୊ࡐͱͯ͠ɺSpotify Model͸໘ന͍ͱࢥ͏ɻSpotify Model͍ ͍ʂͱ͔ͦ͏͍͏࿩Ͱ͸ͳ͍ɻ • PO / PdMͷօ͞Μ͕ͲͷΑ͏ʹΫϩεϑΝϯΫγϣφϧʹɺҰମײΛ࣋ͬͯɺΤϯδχΞͱ࢓ࣄ͞Ε͍ͯΔ͔ͱͯ΋ ڵຯ͋Γ·͢🙇 • ΋͠΋ݱঢ়ͷ૊৫͕΍΍ԣͷΞϥΠϯภॏͰɺݸਓͷΦʔφʔγοϓ΍ϕϩγςΟʹରͯ͠՝୊͕͋Δͱ͖ʹɺ SquadͷΑ͏ͳɺΫϩεϑΝϯΫγϣφϧνʔϜΛ໌֬ʹ૊৫ͱͯ͠ఆٛ͢Δ͜ͱͰɺվળ͕ݟࠐΊΔέʔε͸͋Δ ͔΋͠Εͳ͍ɻ • ͣͬͱSquadΛҡ࣋͢Δඞཁ͸ͳ͘ɺվΊͯԣͷΞϥΠϯΛॏࢹ͍ͨ͠ͱ͍͏λΠϛϯάͰ͸ɺ΍Ίͯ΋͍͍ɻ • SquadΛ΍͍ͬͯΔ਎ͱͯ͠͸ɺSquadΛͲ͏͍͏୯ҐͰ੾Δ͔(υϝΠϯ͔ɺϓϩμΫτ͔ɺϓϩδΣΫτͳͷ͔)͍ ͭ΋೰Έͳ͕Βௐ੔͍ͯ͠·͢ɻΫϩεϑΝϯΫγϣφϧνʔϜͷڥքͷ੾Γํʹ͍ͭͯߟ͕͑͋Δํ͸͓࿩ͯ͠Έ ͍ͨͰ͢ɻ

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΋͠΋ڵຯΛ΋ͨΕͨ৔߹ͷࢀߟࢿྉ 25 • Webܥاۀ/ࣄۀձࣾ΁ͷ࠷ߴͷ൓໘ڭࢣ: "Spotify's Failed #SquadGoals"ΛಡΜͰ  https://norihiko-saito-1219.hatenablog.com/entry/2020/06/18/095233 • Discover the Spotify model(Atlassian)  https://www.atlassian.com/agile/agile-at-scale/spotify • How to Build Your Own “Spotify Model”  https://medium.com/the-ready/how-to-build-your-own-spotify-model-dce98025d32f • େن໛૊৫ʹ͓͚Διϑτ΢ΣΞ։ൃͷޡղͦͷ̏ɿνʔϜͷࢹ໺͸ڱͯ͘ྑ͍͔ɺϓϩμΫτશମΛݟΔ΂͖͔?  https://scrummaster.jp/misconception-3-should-our-team-see-a-narrow-view-or-a-whole-product-view-jp/ • ࣗ෼ͷϒϩάস  https://takahirofujii.dev/ja/articles/spotify-model • Wantedlyͷهࣄ(ฐࣾͷ)  https://www.wantedly.com/companies/wealth-park/post_articles/284200

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࠷ޙʹ 26 https://www.wantedly.com/projects/594122 • PO, PdMੵۃ࠾༻தͰ͢ʂ • ΤϯδχΞ΍εςʔΫϗϧμʔͱOne TeamͰϓϩμΫτ։ൃΛਪ͠ਐΊͯ௖͚ Δํɺੋඇੋඇ!! • ΧδϡΞϧʹ͓࿩΋େ׻ܴͰ͢🙇(MeetyͰ ΋ืू͍ͯ͠·͢) • ※౻Ҫͱ͔ͱϓϩμΫτ։ൃ૊৫ͷ͋Γํ ʹ͍ͭͯٞ࿦ͯ͠௖͚Δํ΋େืूͰ͢ʂ