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N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 26 KIM CHATTERJEE: J checking m ech i king f nce. STEVE BATY: I can ee and hea . KIM CHATTERJEE: Thank g dne f mall mi acle . Oka . Hell e e ne. Hi S e e. STEVE BATY: Hi. All igh . The e g . O e . KIM CHATTERJEE: All e . All igh . Hi e e ne. Whene e a e and ha e e ime ne a e in. I'm Kim Cha e jee I'm calling in f m Yanchen he B i bane h me f he Yagge a and T b l e le. I an ed gi e a alk ab me hing ha I d n' hink e alk en gh ab i beca e i ' a med in ha e d in UX in e efe . B I h gh i ill be in e e ing ake a in n i bea i h me if he en e f being, e all d hi an a . I h gh I ill ha e me ie ab ha I' e been d ing. I ha e en he la c le f ea king n change jec ac all . I kind f cla ified hi a UX i h he al c n ain b nda ie e ha e. S ha ha en if k n a jec he e l e a blem he e d n' kn he lang age d n' kn he c l e he backg nd he hi ha i i ha a dience i ac all a i ing be, and he e i m ch dange hen a e king in cial im ac jec and de el men jec ha he e i a dange f inc ec in e e a i n and he dange f a m i n . I a eall l ck be able k i h he c e , 17 igge , mall face , and a l f ie I an ha e i h da a e f m m e e ience i h hem and he e I ha e een de ign a lied eall 

N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 27 ell in ce ain c n e . N I'm back in A alia, hiding f m a andemic and I'm dedica ing m ime king n men' hea i e and in line i h ha S e e a alking ab e e da , all in he c n e a i n ace and clima e ac i n. S ha eall hi h me i h alk e e da S e e. S a a UXe I ge hi i h S nde all he ime and I l e he e i ence f hi k. I i ha eali a i n ha ha e he ange a nd ha e f ll c m le i id li e j a d . And a UX I hink e d hi , if a e in he ace he e a e eall ge ing in l ing blem f h man hi eali a i n can hi a an m men f g ing, h a, ha e n ha a c m le e hi and a c m le e life he a e li ing hei da and e ge ee glim e f i in he - he e li e in e ec i h hem. And I kind f an ha e a i h ab he e I de el ed hi a ecia i n f nde . I ha ened in ni e i age ag beca e, e , I am ha ld b in he Phili ine a d ama g came cam ne da and he e h and he a e like all igh e ill ge d hi e e ci e and he g alk in a ci cle and enac and emb d e na a he ld call i . We a ed alking in a ci cle a a child, ki ing kn , a eenage g all m d all f a dden. A g n and hen e en all a an ld e n and if can imagine i hin m men e e ne a alking a hi ca ica e. H nched e , ld, ai ing f dea h ba icall . Like ha ' a eenage ' in e e a i n f ld age, igh . A hi in , a e a e h bbling a nd in a ci cle he d ama g ed and aid, all igh le ' ha again. Le ' d hi ne m e ime and hi ime a e a e g e ing h gh hi e n' life, he filled i in i h ie f achie emen , and kn , a life li ed, ain and ac ifice, and ide and j f hing he had achie ed in hei life. 

N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 28 And alk in a ci cle all became hi . Chin held high, ide in h lde , beca e e e e alking i h he f me ne' achie emen and life and e ha e had in e nali ed and ha m men kicked me lidl line f elf ab i n. J f a m men . I ill am e elf-ab bed b ha made me eali e e e e n he e i a b d f ll f ie , f ll f hi kn , hine f being een a a h man being hem el e and e d n' f en ge emembe hi b , he ha ' ha nde i ab , igh . S hi g me hinking eall ab ha digni i . S he e I ill efe ence ne f he g ea , Imman el Kan h did a l f k in defining digni and h i i in e e ed a a h man igh and I hink ha ' a bea if l hing. He e he a e e hing ha ei he a ice a digni . If i ha a ice i can be e laced b if i ha a digni i cann beca e i i - he e i n e i alen . And he e he a h man ha e inhe en digni , and I l e ha . If l k a he defini i n f digni ill ee hing like being h , h n ed, e eemed. Thi i me hing e all kn b if dig in ha a li le bi , he e i a m i n ha a e inhe en in he d ha kind f im lie ha ha e be h f ha digni . Y ha e ha e achie ed me hing, a i i n, a a , kn a le. A ladde ha e climbed. Val e ha h ld e en ha make be e han he and he ef e h f ha digni . Thi i he e Kan ac all aid, ell, n , i h all f ha j b e i ing a a h man and I ld like e end hi ide all f he n n-h man he e a ell, ic f an he alk - digni i inhe en each h man. S in k f blem l ing and ing find hing im e ine ali f life he len I an alk ab i hen e a e d ing k h ab b ha . H d ee h e le e ec he , h he e ec hem el e . And I ill ge in ha in a 

N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 29 m men . We all kn ne f he he g ea Ab aham Ma l ' hie a ch f need . I ld like a e ha e e ne h i ing l e a blem i l ing a blem f e le a ne f he e diffe en le el and he ime f ame e ge k n he jec and blem , igh , i c ld be a eek, eek , a m n h. A ea . H e e l ng i ake and e ha e backl g and e ha e c n ain and he im an hing d . S hile e al ead kn ha he h man ha be he cen e f ha e a e ing l e, b kee he e na a he hea f ha e de ign, me ime i ' ha d emembe ha he e i a le el ha e eall need c n ide he e. Digni i a he e eemed le el. I ' h again h ee elf, h an be een. I ld like add ha len he e in all f he k ha e d , ha hi i - i ' a amid b i ' ac all n a ladde . Pe le can ha e e li le f he ba e i em n he amid b e e ne can ill ha e a en e f digni . Thi i he len e need a i h hen e d he e ea ch. S hi ha a c mmand. I ha a b il in c mmand ha e le ha e he e a " ee me". H d ac all ee me? Beca e if d n' hen a e n ge ing he eal blem . S ha I'm ing l e. I ha e a c le f ie I an ha e i h ab he e I' e een i a lied eall ell. One f he e am le i in he US, hei f d bank ha c all e he lace beca e he a e ing l e a blem f e le ha ing j b , b ha ing make eall ha d deci i n and he e end hei m ne . D he a he bill ? D he kee a ing he en ? D he he m ne in hei SUV ge hem k d he b g ce ie . S I a l n ee ing he e hel ing me f iend j n h gh and I had n iced h bea if ll he h le 

N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 30 hing a e a h gh i a a g ce e, a famil can c me in ick hei a i n , hei milk, ein, hei egg , f hei h eh ld b he ac all ge ch e e n mbe f i em i h n j dgmen . N ne l king e hei h lde a , ha e icked me hing nheal h . S i h j dgmen can ick a ce ain n mbe f i em and can ge da and chi f he kid beca e a he c e f i hen a e c ne ed b life and ha e limi ed ch ice f he hing , ill an ha e ch ice . And he a f d bank a e e in he S a e ca e ha . I ' like, e , i ' cha i , b d n' ha e feel like i ' cha i . In Tan ania e a e king n a c k e jec beca e bad inefficien c k e c n me a l m e f el, i add emi i n , i add m ke inhala i n and heal h blem . S e e e d ing ha ld ge h eh ld men ac all change he c k e he ha e beca e he migh ha e a achmen hem. I a hanging i h a lad all da , a ching h he e ed h gh he ch e . We e e hinking a i ili , a i ea e f e, c ld e make ne ha make hing fa e b he ha a im an a me hing ha a a h a c mmen , i a hen he me i h he f iend and he neighb , a he end f he da af e he fini hed c king all he meal , he an ed l k and feel f e h. N mell like m ke all he ime beca e ha fel d me ic, incial, c nnec ed ha le he had in he h me. She an ed be hi he le f a m de n man h a in c n l f he elf. In Paki an, and in a de ign e in Lah e e e e ackling m ali , beca e egnan men e e ge ing he deli e m la e a he c f heal h c m lica i n , en iall e en dea h. And e an ed ee h e c ld l e ha in me a . We eali ed ha he men kne ha d b he e en' he deci i n make . I a 

N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 31 he men. And b he men e e ke f i beca e he e e n - i a men' b ine . The e e ke f i h gh ab . We en a he ab and l ked a h he e e and ha hei en e f iden i a beca e a fa he he ac all didn' kn h ab he egnan men. The didn' ha e an f he inf ma i n. Wha d he fa he d ? S he e e ackled i b iding a h line he e he c ld e e i i l call a an an n m h line and find ie f m he fa he and lea n ha ha a in ec e . The bea lea ning and li ening e le e al ge each he e le d i . In M ambi e e a e nning a de ign in i h in ance c m anie ge in he ma ke f he nin ed hich a e a he inf mal ec beca e he e e eall nl a ge ing c a e and ea lie ha da hi eam he e had been ag ni ing ab icing in . The e e like, inf mal ec he d n' ha e c n an ca h fl . H ill he aff d an f d c ? 30 ec nd in a i ch e , he e e i ed ha he e men e e a ing, f c e I can aff d in ance. B j d n' ha e an hing ha i me igh n . And he e e able hen a in dee e c n e a i n f he e men a ing, if an hing ha en ne f , e an kid ill be able g ch l and a ch l fee . And he e in ance c m an e ec i e e e e ci ed b ha . The e e able g back he ffice and eali ing he had an en i e ma ke a hei finge i . The j a hem in a diffe en a . And a ligh . S nce I a ed ee hi j e hi len c n an l , like n a f m he ba e need b ac all a f m a en e f digni and ee h e le an ed be een and h he a hem el e i hin I a a a e n fall in lace and I ld l e ha e i h ha hi mean . And f c e he e i d illing ha ening igh n . S ab he backg nd n i e. 

N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 32 S g ing back he S a e , a blem he e ha I a eall in e e ed in a a en e f - h mele ne . When me ne ha been h mele if can imagine ha ha life i like, he a e babl c ch fing, a ing i h f iend he in f kn eall ab ing a en e f - j - j ing ha e e c edi in ha e i h f iend and famil . Once he ge all ca ed c mm ni h ing b idi ed h ing hich i eall ha d ge b he a , a l f e le end back in h mele ne and I c ldn' nde and hi beca e I'm like, g gi en a hing h d li ac back in h mele ne . The alk in an a a men like hi , i i ba e, if em , if an f emembe ha i i like e a h me, emembe h e en i e hing a e, e en if a e ge ing hem f m h if h . I in l ed i h a c e , cha i called H mble De ign he e he ge he ld ck f m he h ing - ha a e h e h , he Bed Ba h and Be nd e le e am ing h me and hi ic e he e i he fi m ha I dec a ed. I a a f a 6- ea - ld gi l and e e al h bef e ea lie ha da i a j an ai ma e ha a n he fl . Tha a i . B he eam had ac all en ime i h he famil , lea ning ha hei i he e e. The had a e de ign b ief f g ing, ha in i e ? Wha in e e ? Wha i m he -in-la like? Wha i ine. And e e hing hen f m he a n he all g n he fl , he TV in he i-fi ha a b il in ha a e f hem, he lam , he a m h, all f hi a hen hel ing ha famil c ea e ha en e f h he an ed be. And he e i eall clicked f me, he e i eall hi h me a hen e e e d ing he ki chen. One f he l n ee a eall i e c nce ned ac all . She had d ne man f he e ne bef e b n iced he e a n f d in he f idge. The e a acke f half fini hed Hamb ge and fa f d lef e he a hinking ab g ing 

N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 33 he c ne e and b ing g ce ie hich i f c e. B e a ed i hin c e, and la e ha af e n n hen he famil alked in ha big e eal, e m ch like n ha ee n TV, af e he ea and he j and he h ck f e ha e a f ll f ni hed h me f he fi ime, he m he hen aid me hing c i ical ha I j had ell e e b d ab i . She aid, n e can ge g ce ie . N I can ge g ce ie . She had al a an ed , b he didn' ha e c le . She didn' ha e kni e . She didn' ha e he ff e a e a meal f he kid and all f a dden he c ld. And ha ' hen I eali ed ha e had ac all hel ed e he en i nmen f he hel he eall ee h he c ld be, and hel he ac all j m e ha e e he ne e c ld be. And ha me a inc edibl addic i e. Beca e n I li en f hi h a e, "n I can". S g ing back a c le f he jec , in Zambia, in he ban l m Ch le a ha en e e ain ea n. And e le kn a h hei hand and n h i i ead b he didn' eali e i a al c nnec ed hei ali ile . And he fac he ha e high a e able. S he jec he e a ge c mm ni ie h had ne e in e ed in e l ng e m ile , he eb ild e e ea af e i ld c lla e, he didn' eali e he c e e e ac all hel ing faecal ma e m e in he g nd a e . S e ackled i f m l king a ha i hei d eam ile ? If he end m ne n hi gi e hem me hing he ac all ill be d f. The aid hing like ile beca e e , he l k fanc , b he a e al eall ea clean. And e l e ain . We ld l e f he neighb kn e ha e a fanc ile beca e i i ide. I ' e ige. Then e had figh he b ilde . The l cal b ilde e e like e ill j gi e hem a a ile beca e he a e ed i . I a like, n , n , e a e e ing in life e ill gi e hem a e ile . B e n ck in a c le f e i emen ha hen made c mm n lace, 

N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 34 e g he elde l n mbe membe f he famil be a f he de ign ce a , he h high d an he ea be f m bili . Y e he a ile b all f a dden ha e a ch ice. And e a ed ee hing like he ld a hing all f a dden like, n I can i c mf abl and ead he a e . Thi a a a - me hing he babl ld ha e h gh a lied he e le b all f a dden he c ld e in ha . S hi i n big f nd in igh , b i ' he e li le en ence f h gh a a hing ha nd like, kn , ha gain an a i a i n meh bec me eall c i ical h e ee e le ee hem el e . J ecen l fini hed a jec in Ken a, hich i ne f he la ge ef gee cam , h ing - la 20 ea i h ed e 20 diffe en na i nali ie . S e le a e he e en iall f he l ng e m and again, i h c k e , i a a ligh l m e di e i a i n. Familie he e ge a i n and he d n' nece a il ha e ef ige a f d e a a i n i a dail hing hich mean i h he a i n he ha e make ch ice d I change he e in f f d d I change i f fi e d and cha c al. I ha e a bad c k e I ill e m e f ha and a l f e le ended ca enging in f e illegall beca e a he a e n all ed f fi e d and men ge a acked he e. S e came hi hinking i ' a ec i hing, e d n' an an ne ge a ed. Le ' l k a i f m ha len . B he m e i h me i h hem e a ed eali e ac all i ' a bi m e a i a i nal han ha . Wha i i he an ? The a e en e ene . The an be able d me hing i h hei ime and b ild hei ca h ba e. Wha e eali ed a he an ed be able end m e ime n hei b ine e . O n hei familie . Tha eali a i n hen e en ime i h hem, em el ia Z m and Wha A i ha if he c ld ge a c k e ha b ned le f el, ha he hen didn' ha e end m ch ime c king beca e i c ked 

N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 35 m e efficien l , ha f eed hem f he hing . La fe ie he e, in Zambia in a n called Kab e m bile m ne c m an a e ing a em he e ld ha e a ing d c n h ne beca e c ld end and ecei e m ne and he idea a ha c ld kee a li le bi f ha m ne a ide n h ne f eme gencie . S e e e hel ing hem i ch he d c a h d in d ce i e le and af e a l ng da hi gen leman came and a ked if he c ld e an acc n . G all e . And e eali ed beca e e e e he ne in he b h i h ha elle , ha he a he blind begga h had been i ing he e a he c ne , ha a hi bea . And hi a a fi ime he had e e had acce financial nde and c ll i n, and ha he aid a , n I can a a ing. F he fi ime he didn' j ha e ha e he ca h n him. He fel financiall incl ded beca e bank i a h ge a f he blem e he e. Taking back he e I a ed i h f d bank in he US, ne f he a k I a gi en a fill ne da a fill all he e back ack and I a a king hem and i n he back ack e e f m a l cal ch l he e he eache n iced ha a l f he kid he had n iced a n mbe f kid didn' ha e en gh l nch he e e g ing h ng . S he de i ed hi em, a e di c e e em he e he g he kid back ack and e fill hem f ll f ean b e beca e ama ing ene g ce b he a , a meal aal, mac and chee e, ai n , diffe en nack . En gh f he eek he ge hi ed back he eache h ge he kid di c e el e in he eache ' m, c llec hei bag , and he didn' ge ingled beca e f a kid digni l k like hi . "I can j be a eg la kid. I d n' ge ingled beca e I'm ". I can j blend in". S hi i ha m life ha been like f he la c le f ea king n UX beha i change, he e ha I ked n a digi al b I an ed ha e ha i h . Beca e if e can all be a 

N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 36 f he ce he e e hel e le e he en i nmen he e he can hen ake he ne e f hem el e , e ill ha e d ne a g d j b. S I ill end he e. S , I en e ime. STEVE BATY: Ha e n g ne e ime. Y ha e g ne e ac l ime. Thank m ch. I ' nde f l ee ha kind f k g ing n. I'm - i eall i . I eall i enc aging. Thank . Oka . Thank Kim. Tha b ing he end f he m ning e i n. And i ge he m ning ea b eak. The e a e a c le f hing ha a e g ing ha en e ickl , fi l I j an n h gh e ha e a ma i e g am f n e en and n ac i i ie ha a e g ing n hi af e n n. The e i an A en e en a 1 'cl ck U e Te ing ha e an e en a 1 'cl ck. Ske ch G nning a e i n a f . The e i a e en e b k cl b a 4.30. And COZY JUICY REAL a e nning a game e i n a 5.45. Big da . Ve big da . Bef e e g he m ning ea b eak h gh, e ld like la a h ide A kable la nching a ne e ice. S le ' n ha . And e ill ee a 10.35. (m ning b eak). STEVE BATY: Hell e e ne and elc me back. I h e e e able ha e a nice b eak. Ge a a f m he c m e c een f a hile ma be if , like me, ca ch n he email ha en' been dealing i h hile ' e been a ching he c nfe ence. I ' ne hing an he . Thank f j ining. Welc me back. We a e f na e ha e Cha li Pa ke j ining n c een h l . Cha li ill be alking ab h , hen, h , and h incl de e le i h di abili in he de ign