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Use unified visibility from search data to grow in the
AI era June 12th, 2025 Ray Grieselhuber CEO, DemandSphere Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber X: @raygrieselhuber
Hi, I’m @raygrieselhuber Founder & CEO of DemandSphere 18+ years
experience in data systems, engineering, and enterprise SEO Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
It’s ALL AI search - the question is the interface
SERP-only interface SERPs, Chat, & Agentic (AX) Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Three search experiences Google SERPs LLM / Gen AI Agentic
(AX) Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Let’s talk about SERPs Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Zero Click World: the shift from traffic to influence &
SoV https:/ /sparktoro.com/blog/2024-zero-click-search-study-for-every-1000-us-google-searches-only-374-clicks-go-to-the-open-web-in-the-eu-its-360/ Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
You can model user attention with SERP shape analysis Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber
@raygrieselhuber
SERP Features are attention magnets Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Pixel depth & visual rank impact the probability that your
brand will receive attention Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
“SERP Features” will continue to emerge in Gen AI too
Visual Rank Sentiment Layout Shift Scroll Depth Pixel Depth CTR Modeling Ad Copy Suggested Keywords # of Elements Ad Location Locations Reviews Merchant IDs Business Titles Ranking URLs Title, Meta, etc. Custom Extraction SERP Screenshots Pixel Height SERP Features Search Intent Keyword Clusters Topic Modeling Search Volume Ad Presence Ad Performance Co-Occurrence Competitor Performance Competitor Discovery Share of Voice Visual Share of Voice URL Screenshots NLP Analysis Video Discussions & Forums Social Knowledge Graph SERP Feature Interiors FAQ Flight Details Hotel Details Review details PLA Text Ads People Also Ask Refine this search Organic Commerce Related Products Shops News News Details Price & Currency Google vs. Bing Buying Guide Howto Job Details
Integrating SERP & GSC data for a more complete view
Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Let’s look at an example (details changed to protect client
data) Tripadvisor.com (not the actual client) AIO Position: 3 Organic Rank: 5 Visual Rank: 9 Pixel Depth: 2,100 (below 2nd fold) CTR: 33%
A simple data model
Deceptively simple unified view of factors impacting behavior Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Likelihood is high that CTR is coming from AIOs because
of low pixel depth Tripadvisor.com (not the actual client) AIO Position: 3 Organic Rank: 5 Visual Rank: 9 Pixel Depth: 2,100 (below 2nd fold) CTR: 33%
Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber Let’s talk about LLMs / Gen AI search
experiences
Point: traffic from Gen AI search is still a rounding
error… https:/ /gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/united-states-of-america Gen AI search traffic < .03% Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Counterpoint: Your board is breathing down your neck about AI
strategy and your competitors are jumping on it too Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
People don’t care about traffic forecasts in Gen AI Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber
@raygrieselhuber
It was always about attention Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
The most actionable insight in Gen AI is index overlap
Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
The dirty “secret”: AI search depends on traditional organic indexes
Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Solving the stale content problem with Retrieval Augmented Generation (RAG)
and Google / Bing LLMs Search Engines Answer engine uses combines LLM answers with organic index from Google or Bing (RAG) User receives higher quality and more relevant answer
Google & Bing form the backbone of AI search Google
AI Overviews Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
The 10 blue links are long dead but the index
is the prize Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
ChatGPT is using BOTH Google and Bing indexes These citation
sources are from Google. See next slide.
ChatGPT is using BOTH Google and Bing indexes Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Data Study • 10,000 prompts • 17 industries • Google
• Bing • ChatGPT • Perplexity
None
Reliance on Google & Bing Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber 51.72% Google Index
ChatGPT 4o 14.26% Bing Index ChatGPT 4o 34.02% Custom / Remix ChatGPT 4o 37.12% Google Index Perplexity 45.63% Custom / Remix Perplexity 17.25% Bing Index Perplexity
Finally, let’s talk about Share of Voice (SoV) Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Evaluating SoV across search experiences Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Your CTR data should come from GSC Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
How you model CTR across SERP Features has a big
impact Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Takeaway #1: There is no more traditional vs. AI search.
It’s all AI search. Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Takeaway #2: It’s all about attention. Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Takeaway #3: Integrate the available data sources to build a
unified view Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber
Come visit our booth! Speakerdeck.com/raygrieselhuber @raygrieselhuber x.com/demandsphere linkedin.com/in/raygrieselhuber