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MY NAME IS MASAKAZU YOSHIKAWA גࣜձࣾΫΦϦςΟΞ ࣭ཧ෦ॴଐ ςετνʔϜϦʔμʔ/ςετΤϯδχΞ/ࣾϑΝγϦςʔλʔ 1981ੜ·Εɺ౦౦ژग़ ө૾੍࡞ܥͷઐֶߍଔۀޙɺ2001͔Βആ༏ͱͯ͠׆ಈΛ։࢝ɻ
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11ؒɺϝʔϧͷςετΛߦ͖ͬͯͨาΈ ϑϦʔλʔ&ֶੜத৺ͷ4.5ਓͷςετνʔϜ 21໊ͷ࣭ཧ෦ आۚ·ΈΕͷශऀͷόΠτΔؾͷͳ͍ձࣾһ ࣗݾ৫Խ͞Εͨ׆ྗʹᷓΕͨϚωʔδϟʔ
ΫΦϦςΟΞͷ࣭ཧ෦ʹ͍ͭͯ 開ൃチーム1 テストチーム1 ςετઃܭɺςετɺҊ݅ཧɺ֎෦ઃܭɺαϙʔτͷαϙʔτɺӡ༻ͷαϙʔτ 11ؒɺϝʔϧͷςετΛߦ͖ͬͯͨาΈ 開ൃチーム2 テストチーム2 1チームあたり5-8名 ओͳۀ༰
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2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 ςετઃܭΛ࢝ΊΔ ΞϧόΠτ͔ΒࣾһʹͳΔྲྀΕ͕࢝ΊΔ 2010ɺΫϥυαʔϏε։࢝ ԋܶΛΊΔɻ ݁ࠗ͢Δɻ ͲΜͲΜϞνϕʔγϣϯ͕Լ͕Δ స৬Λߟ͑࢝ΊΔ ɹ11ؒɺϝʔϧͷςετΛߦ͖ͬͯͨาΈ(2009,2010) Twitter͕ϒʔϜʹͳΔ GsuiteͰGmailͷఏڙ͕։࢝ ػີใ͕૬͍࣍ͰWikiLeaksͰެ։ ใηΩϡϦςΟͷةػҙ͕ࣝߴ·Δ
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2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 ࡂʼస৬ߟ͑͢ ܁Γฦ͠ͷຖʹϯβϦ ϓϥΠϕʔτׂͱॆ࣮ ɺΑ͘Ա͍͑ͯͳ͍ ਓखෆɺ༑ਓΛ̏ਓհ ɹ11ؒɺϝʔϧͷςετΛߦ͖ͬͯͨาΈ(2011,2012) O365 OUTLOOK / Chatwork / LINE͕ϩʔϯν δϣϒεࢮڈ
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2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 ৽ͷاըɺ֎෦ઃܭ ΫϥυαʔϏεͷڥߏஙͳͲ ςετҎ֎ͷۀ͕૿͑ͯ͘Δ QCνʔϜ͕̎ͭʹ͔ΕΔ ࢠڙ͕ੜ·ΕΔ ࣾһʹͳΔϦʔμʔʹͳ͍ͬͯ͘ ਓΛ·ͱΊΔεΩϧΛࣄʹ׆͔ͤΔΑ͏ͳΔ ૬มΘΒͣϞνϕʔγϣϯ͍·· ɹ11ؒɺϝʔϧͷςετΛߦ͖ͬͯͨาΈ(2013,2014) Slack͕ϩʔϯν LINEϢʔβʔɺੈքͰ3ԯਓΛಥഁɻ େྔͷෆਖ਼ϩάΠϯࣄ݅
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2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 νʔϜ࠶ฤ ॏͳΔࢼߦࡨޡ ࣗ৴͕ੜ·Εͯ͘Δ ΧΠθϯ ͓ษڧ ධՁΛ͞ΕΔ νʔϜϏϧσΟϯά ֎ग़ Management3.0 ɹ11ؒɺϝʔϧͷςετΛߦ͖ͬͯͨาΈ(2018,2019) γΣΞϦϯάΤίϊϛʔͷαʔϏε͕ຊͰຊ֨Խ ΧΧΦτʔΫɺϝʔϧαʔϏε։࢝ʢЌ൛ʣ Slack͕ϝʔϧͷࢧ͚ͯAstroΛങऩ
11ؒɺϝʔϧͷςετΛߦ͖ͬͯͨาΈ ϑϦʔλʔ&ֶੜத৺ͷ4.5ਓͷςετνʔϜ 21໊ͷ࣭ཧ෦ आۚ·ΈΕͷශऀͷόΠτΔؾͷͳ͍ձࣾһ ࣗݾ৫Խ͞Εͨ׆ྗʹᷓΕͨϚωʔδϟʔ
ɹɹɹาΈ͔Βײ͡Δ࣌ͷมԽʢΫϨʔϜ/ϦΫΤετʣ HTMLϝʔϧૹड৴ͷΫϨʔϜ͕૿Ճ ࡉ͔͍ϦΫΤετ͕དྷͳ͘ͳͬͨ ͔ͯ͠͠ɺ͋Μ·Γͬͯͳ͍ʁ
าΈ͔Βײ͡Δ࣌ͷมԽʢϝʔϧΕʣ
ରऀɿΫΦϦςΟΞࣾһ ճɿ115ਓத82໊ Q1 ϓϥΠϕʔτͰEϝʔϧΛར༻͍ͯ͠·͔͢ʁ Q2 ͲͷΑ͏ͳ༻్ͰEϝʔϧΛར༻͍ͯ͠·͔͢ʁ Q3 EϝʔϧͷϝϦοτΛڭ͍͑ͯͩ͘͞ Q4 EϝʔϧͷσϝϦοτΛڭ͍͑ͯͩ͘͞
าΈ͔Βײ͡Δ࣌ͷมԽʢϝʔϧΕʣ
าΈ͔Βײ͡Δ࣌ͷมԽʢϝʔϧΕʣ 40%͕΄΅ར༻͍ͯ͠ͳ͍ɻ ར༻͍ͯ͠ͳ͍ 4050த৺ 20த৺ ̒̌ˋ͕ར༻͍ͯ͠Δ සൟʹར༻͍ͯ͠Δ ̍̑% ͨ·ʹར༻͍ͯ͠Δ ̐̎%
΄΅ར༻͍ͯ͠ͳ͍ ̎̔% ར༻͍ͯ͠ͳ͍ 15%
ͲͷΑ͏ͳ༻్ͰEϝʔϧΛར༻͍ͯ͠·͔͢ʁ プライベートの中での、フォーマルなやりとり Ҭͷ࣏ࣗձͷΓऔΓɻ ࢠڙͷֶߍ͔Βͷ࿈བྷ ݸਓతࣄͷΓऔΓ(ྫɿࣥචʣ DJɾLIVEͷΦϑΝʔ ϝʔϧҎ֎ʹ࿈བྷखஈ͕ͳ͍૬खͱ Ψϥέʔར༻ͷਓ ͷਓ メールしかやってない⼈ରԠ
ྫྷ੩ʹߟ͑ΔͱIDొͱ͔௨ϝʔϧͱ͔ϝϧϚΨ͔Γɺૹ৴ຆͲ͍ͯ͠ͳ͍ɻ සൟʹૹ৴͍ͯ͠ͳ͍ɺड৴ͷҝʹ͍ͬͯΔͷଟ͍ɻ 受信しかしてない⼈
EϝʔϧͷϝϦοτΛڭ͍͑ͯͩ͘͞ νϟοτͱҧͬͯྲྀΕ͍͔ͯͳ͍͜ͱɻ ͋ͱͰ֬ೝग़དྷΔʢνϟοτྲྀΕͯ͠·͏ʣ ৼΓ͚͕Ͱ͖Δ ଞࣾΛհ͞ͳ͍ϝοηʔδϯάͰ།ҰɺҰൠʹීٴ͍ͯ͠Δ ର֎తͳϏδωεͰͷίϛϡχέʔγϣϯπʔϧe-mail Ѽઌͷઃఆ͕ॊೈʹߦ͑Δʢ୯ൃɺෳɺCcɺBccͳͲʣ هͱͯ͠Γ͍͢ɺޙʑݕࡧ͍͢͠ɻ ཤྺͷݕࡧ͕ʢൺֱతʣ͍͢͠ チャットと違って整理できるし情報流れないよ系
ݕ索しやすいよ系 Slackの告に物申す系 EϝʔϧͷϝϦοτͱ͍͏࣭ʹରͯ͠ɺνϟοτSNSͳ ͲͷϝοηʔδαʔϏεʹର͢ΔϝϦοτ͕΄ͱΜͲͩͬͨ
EϝʔϧͷσϝϦοτΛڭ͍͑ͯͩ͘͞ ͨ͘͞ΜདྷΔͱॏཁͳͷ͕ຒΕΔ͋ͱͰ֬ೝग़དྷΔ ৼΓ͚͕໘ɺLINEͳΒͦͷਓͱͷΓऔΓΛ͙͢ʹ֬ೝͰ͖Δɻ ϑΥʔϚϧա͗Δ Τνέοτ͕͏Δ͍͞ ϝʔϧͷॻ͖ํͱ͔໘͍͘͞ ηΩϡϦςΟϦεΫ͕ଘࡏɻ SPAM͕͘Δ ΞυϨεͷྲྀग़͢͠͞ʹΑΔ໎ϝʔϧͷଟൃɻ メールは整理が⾯倒、情報が埋もれる系
セキュリティリスク系 マナー系 ΈΜͳϝʔϧͰ൧৯ͬͯΔͤ͘ʹѱޱଟ͗͢ɻ εϐʔυײ͕ͳ͍ɻ Ϩεϙϯε͕ѱ͍ɻ ૹड৴͕͍ ใͷΞΫηε͕໘ スピード系
NAGARERU VS UMORERU νϟοτ(Slack)ྲྀΕΔ ϝʔϧຒΕΔ ྲྀΕΔΜ͡Όͳͯ͘ྲྀ͍ͯ͠Δ͚ͩͰ͢Α ຒΕΔΜ͡Όͳͯ͘ຒΕͳ͍Α ͏ʹ͢Δͷ͕ࣾձਓͷϚφʔͩ ͲͬͪͲͬͪͰ͢Αɻ ྲྀΕͳ͍Α͏ʹͯ͠ɺຒΕͳ͍Α͏ʹ͠·͠ΐ͏
·ͱΊ าΈ͔Βײ͡Δ࣌ͷมԽʢϝʔϧΕʣ ϝʔϧΛݏ͏ਓɺϝʔϧʹͩ͜ΘΔਓͷओு͕ɺͲͬͪͲͬͪͩͬͨɻ ϝʔϧͷ༻༻్Ϗδωε໘Ҏ֎࣮֬ʹมΘ͖͍ͬͯͯΔɻ SlackLINEͱͦΜͳʹൺֱ͢Δ͖Ͱͳ͍ͷͰʁ ʢʑͷίϛχϡέʔγϣϯΛ౪ΒΕ͚ͨͩʣ ͜ͷΞϯέʔτ݁ՌΛੳ͍͚ͯ͠ɺΑΓྑ͍ϝʔϥʔ͕࡞Εͦ͏ɻ
·ͱΊ̎ าΈ͔Βײ͡Δ࣌ͷมԽʢϝʔϧΕʣ ʑͷίϛχϡέʔγϣϯҎ֎ΛڧԽɻ ʑͷίϛχϡέʔγϣϯͱϝʔϧΛͭͳ͙ ෳࡶʹͳΓա͍͗ͯΔͷͰɺՄೳͳݶΓγϯϓϧʹ͍ͯ͘͠
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·ͱΊ • ϝʔϧ/ηΩϡϦςΟʔۀքɺ͓ݎ͍ۀք͕ͩɺதॊೈɻ ͓ݎ͍͔Βͦ͜ɺॊೈͳͷ͔Εͳ͍ ָ͠͞ࣄͷΓ͕͍ΛͬͱएऀʹΞϐʔϧ͍͖ͯ͘͠ ɾϝʔϧແ͘ͳΒͳ͍ΑɻωΨςΟϒΊ·͠ΐ͏
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