transcript of a live event and therefore may contain errors. This transcript is the joint property of CaptionsLIVE and the authorised party responsible for payment and may not be copied or used by any other party without authorisation. Page 59 of this page in my website, what's working and what's not working? And we will give them a key code and we'll say, "This element is green, it's working. This element is red, it's not working." We are so far from that here, right? Like, we're starting so far in a position where we then have to transfer this into a Miro board and have to synth it and analyse it, and then we have to make so many steps to get to that end point. It wasn't working to me. It didn't quite click. I hope you've all seen this slide - this is one of my favourites. Tell me why? Why do we note-take? We have a client who's asked us a question, particularly for usability testing, we have a client who's asked us a question. They want to know something, they want an answer. Do we have to make changes? Do we have to improve things? "Is it really great and we can just keep it as it is?" We need to ask ourselves this, "Why do we use the templates that we have?" Is it because that's just what's always existed? We know that there's huge danger in that, we can't use what's always existed. We need to question ourselves and ask why we use the things that we do. Alright, go here. So, what I was thinking with the team, what was working and what was not working - let's start at the end. So, ultimately, we are going to do some usability testing, we are going to give our client the results. Why don't we start here? Instead of working in an Excel document, instead of working in a Word document, we're going to start in Miro, we're going to put our pages we're interested in, chuck them straight into Miro and note-take directly into Miro. That's gonna work and it will be great. It did not work and it was not great! (LAUGHTER) So, this was about a year and a half ago, and a couple of the team who were on this project, we had a big debrief after this first session. I said, "It will be great, it will be fun." It was super confusing. The team had to note-take live during the usability testing session. Comments were everywhere. It was all sorts of not-working. What do we do? We're HCD practitioners, we iterate, right?