an amazing PaaS, but it’s very heavyweight-- lots of vms to run it. • BOSH is powerful, but very hard for people to learn modeled after Google’s BORG, BO(R++G++) → BOSH • The underlying tech is proven and hardened (garden-linux, diego, etc) • We’re seeing new container-first platforms that have a lot of traction with devs (Kubernetes, CoreOS) ◦ They are not as battle-tested as CF. ◦ We are targeting a great developer experience, but without some of the bells/whistles of CF