JANANI VENKATARAMAN - What’s in a method?

The biggest challenge for me as a marketing researcher transitioning into the world of user research was simply the methods. As a trained quantitative researcher, I faced a lot of skepticism from colleagues/peers who didn't think it would be a straightforward easy transition into the world of user research which is largely qual. Whilst I fully acknowledge the effort and learning required to transition disciplines, I would like to push back at skeptics who feel qual and quant methods are a domain/discipline of its own.

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1. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
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2. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   ge i g affic he e, e' e g a cha ge he ale fi al, e' e g a e
   all he e he cha el a d ge hi hal effec a d ge e le
   clicki g beca e he ' e ee a ad he e a d a ad he e, a d he ee
   hi e le e ." I did ' a i be ale . Wh ? I j a ed
   e le i he he f hi g f a li le bi . I a ed eall
   de a d. Tha a he ca e. The fac ha e be a
   ac i i e de a d he g f hi g . A d , eah, I g e i a
   eall he ma e ' deg ee i he PhD, a d he j bei g imme ed i
   i , 100%, h ma -ce ed de ig , a d ali e ea ch.
   MAGS HANLEY: OK. I hi k ha ' i . S , ha k m ch, Jea e e,
   f ime a d f ha de f l e e a i .
   (APPLAUSE)
   We ha e me m i g ea he e. If a f ll , I'm
   e Jea e e ld l e alk e- - e. A d e ha e half a h
   il e a agai .
   (MORNING TEA BREAK)
   MAGS HANLEY: Shall e a ? Ye ? L el . OK. We ha e membe f
   c mm i h a e g i g be d i g a e e a i f da . A d
   Ja a i i g i g be fi e. We had a cha ab ha e e e
   d i g, a d I a fa ci a ed he he a alki g ab a i g a a
   a i a i e ma ke e ea ch e ea che . A d a d c e ea che . S ,
   da , alk ab ha ' i a me h d.
   JANANI VENKATARAMAN: Tha k . Hi, e e e. I'm e e ci ed be
   

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3. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   he e beca e hi i m fi i - e e e i l g. Tha a ide, I'm
   d i g a alk ab m j e . A d he ha Jea e e ha ed i
   e m f he j e , he e a e a allel a d hi g ha eall ck a
   ch d i h me m j e . Bef e e begi , I ld like
   ack ledge he adi i al e f he la d hich e' e mee i g
   a d a m e ec .
   S , like I aid, i ' a , m , f h I became - I ill
   ell a bi m e ab ha I mea b hi i hi e e a i . S , I'll
   ake back he a f m f c a e k. I a ed i
   f a e e gi ee i g a a f a e e gi ee i i g e e f c de.
   The e' me hi g ab ha I did ' i e e j . The fac ha I did '
   alk i h a b d babl a a he f he li . B af e a c le f
   ea f d i g ha , I lef . Pe le i f a e e gi ee i g l d c ea e
   magic. B f m he eali a i ha i a ' m c f ea. S , I did
   me d i g i h m ma e ' , a d I h gh , "Wha c ld be fa he
   f m IT?" A d I h gh , "Oh, ma be I'll d ale ," beca e I had me
   e le i m c m a h e e i ale , a d he e e al a alki g
   he e le a d eall flamb a . A d I h gh , "Ma be he e'
   me hi g f me he e." S , I did ale /ma ke i g i i a d la ched
   i ma ke i g e ea ch a a di ci li e. N , a i g ff i ma ke i g
   e ea ch, I a gi e a ch ice. Y k , I a e e ed a i
   eciali e i a i a i e me h d , a d me hi g ab he
   a i a i e me h d a ealed me a d I decided ch e ha a m
   a ea f eciali a i . I a ed i age c la d - babl he be lace
   a i ch a a ea beca e k i h diffe e clie , diffe e
   i d ie , diffe e e f b i e blem . I eall ga e me ha
   i ge m ha d di e d- -e d a , i cl di g ad a ced
   a i a i e me h d . A c le f a f d i g ha . I had hi i ch
   hi k, "H ld i be be he he ide f he able?" S , ha '
   

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4. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   ha I did. I e ahead a d j m ed he he ide f he able a d
   became a i -h e e ea che , ill i ma ke i g e ea ch. S , I j i ed
   he ma ke i g de a me i a ga i a i . Bef e I c i e i h m
   , I j a ake a ec d alk ab he e c ce . N , he
   di ci li e f ma ke i g e ea ch i elf eed i d c i . I'm e
   e' e all familia i h ha di ci li e. B ha ' h calli g , he
   f c a d f ame k f hi di ci li e, a d h ha ac all e gage
   i h e e ea ch a a di ci li e. S , he le f ma ke i g e ea ch i all
   ab e a i de a d e efe e ce . N , i ' ha c llec i e i igh
   hich mea ha he efe e ce i ma ke i g e ea ch i big- ic e. Y
   k , e a e al a alki g ab " ha ' he ma ke cie ce, ma ke
   i , h d e i e he ma ke ?" T a e he e e i , i '
   ei he ali a i e a i a i e. If I ca d a a a allel, he e' a bi f
   cie ce a d he e' a bi f a i he e me h d . S me f he a ic la
   jec ha I did a a ma ke i g e ea che ki g i a a i a i e
   ace a e hi g like, k , de a di g game , de a di g
   he age f li e game . De e mi i g h m ch ill e le a f a
   e fi d i k? A d al e i g he he he e' a ma ke f a
   e f d e e a d, if , ha ' he a eal, ha h ld e make he
   a ge ? A d he e a e jec ha ha e i ce he g e be ac al
   d c e ice i he ma ke . S , hi i he e f k ha I a
   d i g i m ma ke e ea ch k. G i g back he , I a a
   i -h e e ea che i a ma ke i g eam. A d I la ded a ... I l ked i
   a d c eam, a d I a ld I a g i g be a i -h e e ea che .
   Thi a e ci i g f me. I'll g i g back.
   >> I ' f e h ba e ie , ...
   JANANI VENKATARAMAN: OK! I alked hem ab m ma ke i g
   

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5. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   e ea ch backg d, m kill i a . A d I j ai ed f he jec
   c me m a a d m akeh lde c me me f hel . B i j
   did ' ha e . Y k , af e he fi c le f eek , I a ed - I
   did ' k ha I a g i g be d i g. A d he eek ac all ed
   i m h . I a eall ge e all c ce ed. I a de i g, ha am
   I d i g he e? Am I eall i he igh lace a a e ea che ? S , a a
   e ea che , I decided eak akeh lde fig e ha i i ha
   he a ? I a bei g i i ed dail a d- . B I e e ac all
   had a e ea ch b ief c me h gh f m a d c de ig akeh lde .
   S , ha eall baffled me. A d e f he c e a i I had i h hi
   c lleag e f mi e, I ha k him f gi i g me ha aha m me . He a a
   lead i de ig i he ga i a i I a a f. A d he aid, "Y ' e a
   ma ke i g e ea ch a d d a , ' e a a i." A d me hi g
   ab ha eall ki d f ck i h me a d ac all - hi i h m
   akeh lde ee me. Thi i h I alk ab m elf m akeh lde .
   A d i a me hi g ab hi a d d c e ea ch did ' eall fi . I
   a a eal lea i g m me f me i m j e . Agai , alk ab
   me c ce , if ' e e e had he f e f bei g i a ma ke i g
   ga i a i i h b h ma ke e a d d c e ea ch de a me , I'm
   e ld ha e had hi b e a i , ha he a e i c i h
   each he . M f hem, he ' e i c i h each he , he
   e a e i hei il . Of e a i jec ba e - i ' defi i el
   ha g i g, eamle hi g. The f ame f efe e ce f i f e ha
   i di id al e . N , h i ha e ...? The f ame f efe e ce f he
   ma ke e ea ch di ci li e, i ' diffe e , k ? We' e alki g
   ab he e i e ma ke a ed ha e e h ' i cha ge f
   he d c e ice. S , ha mea I a i ble i e m f h I
   c ld e iall i eg a e m elf i he d c e ea ch eam . S ,
   ha did ha d ? I decided d me f he hi ki g. If hi k
   

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6. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   d c e ea ch, b ade d c e ea ch, i i d mi a ed b
   a i a i e me h d . Y k , he e f e i ha e a e i
   e m f acki g he f ame f efe e ce f ha i di id al e . A d
   ha e i e a ligh l g ea e i f ali a i e me h d
   c m a ed a i a i e me h d . I ' ha d c e ea ch me
   a a e ea che a ' iable. S , i a m j b hel hem eali e h
   he ac all make e f m kill . S , f he e f hi di c i ,
   I j came i h hi fl cha , a d i ' b mea a ce ha
   I' e de ic ed he cha , all he d c k ledge ec , he i e a i e
   ce . B if hi k... H ill he make i m e de i able, m e
   ef l a d m e i able f hem? A d he all ch ce ai me h d
   ha a e ali a i e i a e. Thi i b mea a e ha i e li . B
   he e a e me f he icall ed me h d i he d c de el me
   j e life c cle. A d a ca ee, he all le d hem el e
   ali a i e me h d . Ma ke e ea ch i a e , g db eaki g k.
   I ' defi i el a me h d ha ha bee ed i d c e ea ch i he
   a . B i ' ce ai l ad h c. If l k a ha life ime, he e' lace
   i he d c j e f ma ke i g e ea ch. I ' l me hi g ha
   d c akeh lde ma decide d . The migh hi k, "H m ch
   h ld e ice ha a ?" Tha ' a lace f a ma ke i g e ea ch jec
   he e hel hem de e mi e he ice i f he a . S , I had
   meh fi d h I c ld i jec m elf i hi d c de el me life
   c cle a d ac all ha e m akeh lde make e f m l ki , all hile
   killi g m elf i ali a i e me h d . B ha d I d a d da
   i de e m kill ? S , if hi k f hi life c cle, he e a e
   e i i he ea l age f he d c de el me he e e d
   ac all eed ha b ad f c he ma ke , e d eed a e
   e i a d ha ill e le d , k , he he a d c
   e ice h ld g ma ke , h m ch ill e le a ? A d I da e a
   

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7. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   ici g i e f he e am le f me h d me h d l gie ha i ' like a
   c e e f ma ke i g e ea ch ha i e al i he ld f e
   e ea ch d c e ea ch a g d ici g. A d h i eg a e
   ha a a f ha d c de el me j e ? A d, agai , ce he
   d c e ice ha bee la ched, h a i fied a e e le? T acki g.
   A he e am le f a a i a i e me h d ha ill ac all ha e d c
   a d de ig . S , I did all hi ma i g, I came i h me me h d ha
   ld hel d c a d de ig akeh lde . Y k , hi g like
   c m e i i e a al i a d ici g. The ' e all f m he ld f ma ke i g
   e ea ch. B if he ill hel m d c de ig akeh lde . S , I
   k all hi lea i g a d e back m akeh lde a d alked ab
   h I c ld e iall hel hem. A d ha g me e gageme . M
   de ig akeh lde a e ac all ki g i h me. A d ha
   ha e ed i he eek af e , he e a me ac i a d e gageme . I
   a a iece f k ha he eam had bee ki g f a eall l g
   ime. B i hi he fi fe da , he e a d i e gageme .
   A al ic ac all h ed ha me hi g i igh . B ha a
   igh ? We did ' i e k . S , he a ach i e m f l i g
   a e i g ha blem, a ca ee, i l ed a c le f diffe e
   hi g . We decided d me i e ce ge ha feedback. B
   acki g a la ched ga he ha g i g feedback, a d h a i
   ha e c ld h he eedle i all f h e ke me ic . F ecific
   feedback, ali a i e e e ci e e e al d e. Wha d e i mea
   e gage i h a a ic la ec i f he eb i e? A ali a i e e e ci e.
   A d eall a e he e i f m a ma e ec i e a e c ld.
   Tha a f m a ach i e m f hi jec . A d ha defi i el
   hel ed me ge m e i f ma i f m akeh lde . S , fa f a d
   da , I c i ed k i d c e ea ch. I' e i ce he ked
   lel i d c eam a e ea che . I ld call m elf a
   

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8. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   mi ed-me h d e ea che . A mea ece a ge he a e
   m akeh lde . S , I emai e a a d all me h d ece a .
   S , if hi k ab he ld f d c e ea ch, he e' a lace f
   a i a i e me h d , defi i el a lace f ali a i e me h d , a d
   he e' a lace f a he mea ece a i de ac all a e
   ha akeh lde e i . S , i ' ha al i im a . I me
   i a ce , al i g i g be g ea e ha a . I he i a ce, a
   i g i g be g ea e ha al. B i ' ha c ec i e a ach ha
   hel a e h e akeh lde e i . Beca e af e all, ha ' i
   a me h d? I ' ab a e i g ha akeh lde e i i h a mea
   ece a . S , ha ' eall he ha I came he e ha e i h all f
   . A d I'd l e hea ake a d e ec i e me h d ,
   a d if ha e a f cce al ie he i c me
   e ea ch me h d , lea e le ' c i e he c e a i . Tha k
   m ch.
   (APPLAUSE)
   MAGS HANLEY: Q e i ime. Bef e I a k mi e, d e a e a
   a i h a e i ? Plea e.
   >> S , i a l f ga i a i , me ime ge me i i ia i e
   c mi g h gh he e ega i e e ea ch (i di i c ) d c ki d f
   decided. Wha ' ce if ha ha e ?
   JANANI VENKATARAMAN: Yeah. A d I hi k i a like h m ch d he
   al e a e ea che ? A d if he d c ha al ead bee decided, i
   he e e ide ce ac all gge ha hi i he igh d c f
   e ? Y k , ha me h d - he he ha ' a al ic a i a i e
   

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9. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   ali a i e, i hel ac all a , "Ye , hi i defi i el he igh
   d c f e ." If a d he e' e i , e e a ha age,
   he h g i g ahead i h d c (i di i c )? S , I hi k I al a
   hi k f m elf a f he e . If I'm he e f hi d c , i hi he
   igh d c f me? D ha e he e d f ha hi i he igh
   d c f me? A d, if , h ? B ha ' j m a ach.
   MAGS HANLEY: OK, I ha e a e i . Whe e' e l ki g a
   diffe e e f me h d , i he e e me h d ha ld be
   ec mme di g f he maj i f , a i a i e, he e e g , "Tha ' a
   eall g d e ick "? T add me m e a i hei ld.
   JANANI VENKATARAMAN: If I ca g back hi lide, k , hi
   ma ke i g i me hi g ha I did he I a ill ggli g i h
   e gageme f m d c a d de ig akeh lde . Pa ic la l i he
   ea l age f a d c j e , ha ' he ma ke i g e ea ch,
   a i a i e me h d , ca eall make a im ac . We ca hel
   d c akeh lde a d de ig akeh lde de a d he ma ke ,
   de a d he he he e' a i f ha ma ke . A d a
   e am le - ha c ld be a g ea lace f meb d h ' a a i
   a hi ki g ab de a di g he ma ke . Y a a d c mi e i
   ha ga i a i eed . B ha e e ci e ill hel
   de a d he he he e' a ma ke f hi e ice ffe i g,
   a d if he e i , h ha ma ke i . I hel ide if i . A d al i e
   he e ial f he ma ke . A d he e' me hi g ab i g mbe
   a lide ha j - eah, i b i g j me g f e le. Ea l
   age de a di g a a l.
   MAGS HANLEY: S , .... ha k . A d aid - ha a hi g am
   

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10. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
    i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
    c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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    aid e?
    JANANI VENKATARAMAN: Yeah, a e l i . M f hem ha e
    e-b il m d le . The ca be a g ea a a . The ' e g
    a da di ed a i g cale , a da di ed ec i ha e ec ee.
    Y e ha a a a i g i a d b i l c mi e i i .
    MAGS HANLEY: A m e e i ? Yeah.
    >> O lide , he e de ed ha he e le a a , a
    ma ke e ea che , i e i d c , a d ha a ha m me he e
    ' e like, "Ha g , hi i h e le ee me, b h d I ee
    m elf?" Tha eall e a ed i h me. I j a ed hea m e ab
    ha f d l e?
    JANANI VENKATARAMAN: Yeah. I hel ed me de a d ha if I a
    be meb d h k i d c /de ig ld, I eed m akeh lde
    ee me a meb d h g e he d c /de ig k. A d a ha
    i i ime, ma be beca e f he a I a jec i g m elf,
    k , I a alki g ab hi a a ec , i ma ha e bee he
    fi hi g ha he a ed hea . The a ed hea h I c ld
    ac all d hi , k ? Like, hi d c j e ha he all g ,
    h ca I hel i hi j e , he me h d. H ca I add m e
    hi j e a he ha alki g ab m kill i a i a i e
    ma ke i g e ea ch. Yeah.
    >> J a c mme , eall , a d I e a hi ki g ab me h d , i
    c me back all f diffe e de ig ack . Beca e me ime e
    ha e akeh lde a i g e eed a j e ma , e a e a ,
    

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    i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
    c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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    a d e ha e a k h a d fig e ha he igh hi g i d . A d I
    hi k ha ' j h bea i g i mi d. I fall f ha a i e f e .
    JANANI VENKATARAMAN: Yeah. S me ime he a k f a j e ma ,
    b i ac al fac he j eed a c le f ke i ab he e d
    e . Yeah. S , eah.
    MAGS HANLEY: Ye .
    >> Ama i g e e a i . Tha k f c mi g. I a j de i g,
    gi e g f c i a , d fi d i diffic l g b ade a d
    e g he kill , a d h d d i ?
    JANANI VENKATARAMAN: I ' defi i el a lea i g c e ha I' e had
    g . The ' e all di ci li e , a d lea ali a i e e ea ch, i '
    j ab a di g i h a c me a d alki g hem, i ' ab
    maki g e e f he da a, a d i ' a l ea ie make e e f c ed
    da a c m a ed c ed da a. S , he e' a a a d cie ce
    behi d ki g i a i a i e ace. I a i i g i h m c lleag e a
    a a lea he j b. I ld a e d di c i ha ha e ed. A
    he ame ime, I fi ml belie e ha i ' ab ha a ach.
    S me ime i g al a , (i di i c ). S , eah, l f lea i g
    he e.
    MAGS HANLEY: Q e i ? Tha k .
    JANANI VENKATARAMAN: Tha k m ch.
    (APPLAUSE)
    

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