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DR2023 Sophie Goodman & Bec Purser - Bin Chickens, Beavers and Dingos - Re-situating Ethnography Beyond Humans

DR2023 Sophie Goodman & Bec Purser - Bin Chickens, Beavers and Dingos - Re-situating Ethnography Beyond Humans

Anthropology’s, and by extension Ethnography’s remit is frequently defined as asking the question, 'what does it mean to be human'? But, what if humans were not at the centre of what we do? Solving global issues and promoting systemic change, means changing not just the inputs but also our point of view.

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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    e e - a d I h ca gh Me b e, f ' e f
    Me b e - b b h The Age a d he S d e M g He a d a a h e
    ead a d " ed a e " Ch a - a ee , f a e he a
    f h ee ' a ce e he c ea b a e . S , a
    ha e c ed f e ha I' fa f b g c ea
    b a e . I h e ca e d ha e be e e e he e. B he e
    ha e . A gh .
    Le ' e . I ' a ea f e de - f he,
    , f, "Ha, ha, ha he f c a e e d g?" d f a , a he
    ha ac a f . A e de - f ee e h g d a . OK, e
    e ha d e ... "Cha ge he e, S e e!" Le e ha d e S h e
    a d Bec, h a e g a be he e, I' g a ge ff age. Wh a e
    g a be a g ab he ce he eed e a e e h g a h .
    The ' e b h a h g b a g a d e e e ced he a ea f
    de g e ea ch a d he ' e g a a ab h e f cha ge
    ha g f e h g a h b ade a a f h a a d
    a a d ffe e e ec e. S , ea e e e c g S h e a d
    Bec he age. Tha . (APPLAUSE)
    BEC PURSER: G d g, e e b d . S , I S e e ha a ead
    d e h , b e a ed a e a he e ac edge he
    T ad a O e f he a d ha e e da . Whe e e a e
    A a a he e e a e he d, e ' h ab
    c ec c a d ace a d ace a d e ec f he I d ge
    e e. F S h e a d I, ha a he Gad ga a d he Wa ga
    Pe e f he E a Na , b h e e be g he d he a d f he
    K Na . Th e ec a e e a f c da , h ch h
    e ha e ch e d a ec d ac edge e f c , e e
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  3. Ca LIVE Ra T a c
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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    a d aga a e e e e a . B c ec g h a d a d c
    a e he e, a ' ee a .
    S , a b ab . S , S h e a d I a e e e h a e e ea
    a ed. We e f abb h e a d e d ' he
    a g h . We ed h a ge he a a g d e c e f
    e e e h gh ha ha e bee b bb g a d head f a
    e h e a d ha e had bee g e , a d a a g d e c e
    a e Me b e - e h g ha e he f ha d e ce e he
    a de c.
    A e h e ha I ha e a e f h . I '
    a de a d he e c e f bef e ca a ab
    he e ' e g g. S , e ' d e Ma a d Be d.
    S , a h g a e ab hed a a ec g ed f e d f d
    he 1840 A e ca a d E e. The e f e a e e e ed
    b F e ch a a e ed A a a 1800 a d 1803, a d a e
    beca e a c f e h g . The R a A h g ca S c e
    N e A d Q e e O A h g e f he f a e a e
    d e , b hed ed f 1874 1951. A d he US, LH
    M ga ' C c a a ed a he S h a . He Sch c af a
    e f he f A e ca b h a e h g a h c e f a .
    The S h a a a b g e f a h g ca e ea ch, a g
    1846, a d a e he B ea f E h g bega 1879 ga he
    f a ab he I d ge e e f N h A e ca. F a B a , a
    Ge a e ea che , d d ch f he e h g a h he a e 1800
    a d he a e f he f a he c e f c e h d f a h g ,
    e ha g he e ea ch f bef e ge e a g a he e h d.
    Pa c a b e a ha g bee c de ed he d a f
    a h g . I g ace bac Ma ' f e d h he
    T b a d I a de . He a b K a P h a e a d d ed

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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    a a e e ac he d, ea g PhD a d g h
    e f he be a h g f he e a d f a e . Whe he
    a e ed Pa a Ne G ea a h e ea ch, W d Wa I b e
    . A d be g P h-b a d c ec A a, he a ab e
    e h e h fac g e . I ead, he a g a ed he
    a he e he a a d c e h e ea ch. I a a h
    e ha he beca e a f ced g a . He a e a e e he a ea
    a d a e, a d a b c f ed. He a he e beca e he a f ced
    be he e b he a h e f he e. A d a afe,
    h be e e , e h e, he ef e he bega he ad f
    e e a c a e h g a h . A d ' e e g e ha , a
    ch a c c de ce f g, a a , a d ge ca ed
    he de e e f a f e d f ac ce ha e ca c ed da h he
    ha f e e h d , h he de e e f e
    d c a d e ce .
    B ha ? E h g a h , a e h g a h , e h g a h c?
    A e he e a e f he a e h g ? A e he d ffe e e ? Le '
    ge .
    A e h d. Th he e ha e a e fa a h.
    E h g a h a a e h d. A a a e e f e ea ch ha e
    d g a d d c e g c a a d c a he e a ea - fe
    e g . E h g a h f c ed b e g a d de a d g h a
    beha a d e ac h he a a a ea. Re ea che
    c d c g a e h g a h c d e d e h a c a , c e,
    a d ga gh c a e ac , c ec da a h gh a c a
    b e a , face- -face e e , e ce e a. I f e a ed ab a
    -h e e e , b he a ce -c e f he e e , he
    ce , he e a h ha ' be g d ed. Th he a f
    e h g a h ha ha bee c e c a ed, a d e f d

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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    b e a c. A d e ac a h ha bea e a d b e ca h
    he a f a d.
    B e' ge he e a e. A a d a g e. A
    e h g a h f he eade h gh a a a e, e e e,
    f e g e de a a d e g ech e . S e e ca ed
    h c de c , e de a ed de c f he c e ,
    beha , a d ffe e ce , c e a d ac ce . The e a e I
    ha e he e A E h g a h Of F ag a ce. Th e h g a h c e
    e e he ea g f e f e he I a c d, b e e g he
    e h ch ha e bec e a c a ed h ec f c f ag a ce , he
    a h , D ah J g, a e d ce he eade he h
    a d c e f I a a d he he edge f Ye e . E g c a
    e cha ge a d e e h gh he ea g f f ag a ce. Th
    e e a e f "a e h g a h " b d e ca e he e e ce f he
    b ec .
    A d he he e "e h g a h c" ca be ed de c be a
    ac ce ha e b f h , c d g f a g,
    h g a h , he f f c a e e e a . S h e a d I a e
    b h d e gh e e be e h g a h c f be g a ed ch .
    The e a e h ca d c e a - e f a e , h b We e
    f a e , ab -We e c e . S e e ca be
    e h g a h c h be g c e ed b a h g h
    be g he ac ce f a h g .
    B ha ac a c e a f d ffe e h g , I a
    f a e a d a , f a , a e f g, a e h d, a d a
    ad ec e, he ha a e d c f he f f e ea ch
    ac ce ha e a ha e de g e ea ch? The e a e a
    def ha a e e h g e h g a h c a e h g a h ha
    a e be g a g ed a d d c ed b acade c a e he d, a d I'

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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    e he e a e ac a a f h ab ha b ec a
    e , a d e d e hea he . E h g a h a a e ea ch ac ce
    a b f a b e b d, b f h a , f he e f da , e' e
    g a f c he e h g a be g d c f e h g a h . The
    f e be g he f e f he b ec , he e a e ha
    g a he d h gh he b ec ' e e a d f he
    f e . The e de c e - ' ch de a a d e e a .
    I e - f c e he ed e e e ce f he d d a a d f he
    c . The a a d c e, h ch ea e d ' ha
    eed be ha be bef e e a he e ea ch.
    I f c e b c ea g, e e he b a d
    ea g f he ac a d he ch ce ha he b ec a e. A d
    ha a e c e e a - ea g ha a e b e a a d
    f d g f he e ha e e e , a d he e ha he
    e ac h, a d he b ec a e.
    A h g ' e ha f e e bee def ed a a g he
    e , "Wha d e ea be h a ?" B ha f h a a e '
    he ce e f ha e d ? Wha f a h g a a f e d c de ed a d
    d ed a ec e , h a ? C d e c e a e he
    e f be g h a h c e f c
    h a -ce ed e ? Wha f e ha , ca , a h g a e
    h a - ? We a e b e f he be fe e a he
    c e e a h ch e f d e e , a a ec e e e a g de a d
    e e e f c b ed f e. We eed de a d
    a d add e he cha e ge f h a b f h e e e
    a g de. A d h ea e eed b ade he e f a h g
    be d c e a ca f h a -ce ed edge, e h d ,
    a d f a g, ha e a e ed da .
    B ha ' ac a a a bee ha a . We h e eed

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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    eac a e e a a d c e h he ch a ha a ead
    e a f d c e. N -h a e h g a h a
    ac a e c he f e d he h , b ha bee
    f g e . The A e ca Bea e a d H W , he 1868 a ca b
    Le He M ga , a e ce e e a e f a a ab e e h g a h c
    e ea ch a he ec e . Sad , h b ca - ca be
    f d a eb e f f g e b - f g e b .c - b I
    d ec e d g g f d . H e ha e cha ged!
    B I a a a ab b e . The e b d a e e ed a g d
    a d ca ed b ch c e . Ib e e e c ee S d e
    he 1950 . The a a hab a he e a d he
    M a -Da g Ba , ca ed he e f A a a. The c c
    f ga f a c e he M a -Da g Ba d g he
    d-20 h ce ha c b ed a c ea e he b e ha e ee
    ba a ea , a he e e f ced ea ch f e hab a a d e
    f d ce . We c d ee h a f a a a g f
    e c ec ed e , b I h e h d a ee a a ac f
    e e ce. Ib e - a d I a f fac ab b e ! - c e
    a d c ca e ad , a c e e e ec e f he . The f g
    he ab , ca g he e , a d e e he , a d he a h
    he de a e e g a c e he h e. A d e
    c -d e g c e , he a - ec ed b ac b ha ea ed he
    affec a e a e f fa e a "fa e ' f e d". Th b d ha ha
    b ac fea he a d a - e age a d ec a d h a , efe
    he e ace f a a fe a d feed h de f g a h e a d
    c , h ch ea a d ag e A a a c . We ha e a e
    ac g he e e b he e f he e "b ch c e " a d
    g he a a e a d a c a e f
    e c ec ed e a a ec e . E e fa e ' f e d, a h gh

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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    e, h a -ce ed. B ha f e h gh ab he b a d
    he ec e f a -h a -ce ed f e ? H gh e
    cha ge he a e a e he , ee he , beha e he ? L e he
    f g e A e ca bea e , a d de a e h a -ce ed e .
    W h c c h gh e, c d e , be e a
    ge , ha e e ded be c e a d ba a ea beca e
    b e e ha e ha e c ea ed f ec ea e he a e
    h e e fec , h ch c ff a d c face . B d e e a a e ce e
    d ca f he e e .
    B ha ab h e ha ca ' ada ? A a a he f e f
    e c f a a a d a ec e , a d he 10 f e da ge ed
    h ea e ed ec e . The e be c e f he A a a S a e f
    he E e Re 2021. C a e cha ge ac e e c ea e,
    e e g c ea e h ea h, a d a e ed a .
    Z c d ea e , c d g COVID-19, a e ca ed b de g g f
    he e fa e f a a h c e a d g e ce ed h a
    eed f .
    B e ' ge bac e h g a h a d ac ce. I a e
    fa d he abb h e! I a d ce a he ha a
    de e ed b a e h g a he a d bec e a a e a
    ' he f he dea e ha e da . T a c a a he ce
    f a g f e c e a he , g b h he ac
    f a c e, he g f a e c e. B a ca e
    he dea f he c ea f e c a he e a,
    e -c a a . Th he a de e ed b Fe a d O h
    e a , The C ba C e , h ch ea ed bacc a d
    ga - b h ag c a c d e - a c a cha ac e h h ,
    a d ed he e e he e ac a d e e a ed e f he
    S a h c e , he Af ca a e he b gh h he

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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    he e, a d he I d ge C ba , he Ta . S h e g a a e
    h gh h ac .
    SOPHIE GOODMAN: S , e h g a h ee g h gh a c c e f
    be g d c e ed a d ed c e ed b ga a f e e h g f
    a eg a ace c e. F he '80 , he he
    '90 , he he 2000 , a h gh a c ea ch Ha a d B e
    Re e gge ha a be bec g e f e e , h a
    a c e e e e f e ea ce he ea 2000 . H e e ,
    each e ha bee a f c a a e ea ch e h d. A Bec
    ed ea e , e h g a h e ha a e h d, ' a a ad ec e,
    a , a d a e f g. U g a c a he - ha Bec
    d ced - e ca a a e ha a , ha a ga ed, a d c ea ed,
    a he d f e h g a h e ac ed h he d f ga a
    a d b e a d ce a e beca e def ed a ha ea
    be h a .
    S , ha d d e e? B f c g a a e ea ch e h d,
    e h g a h beca e d c ec ed f acade c d c e f
    a h g , g he e ca f da , a d h f c
    h a e e a h h, a d c f, he ec e . Wha
    d d e ga ? E h g a h a ed h a -ce ed de g ha g e
    ca e a d f e ce, a ea a he ab e ha ha bee ch gh af e .
    We' e a bee a f b d g e a h f he a d de e g
    bea f de g ed d c , e ce , a d e e e ce . Ye , e' e
    c ea ed a e f e h g a h ha a e ed ced
    e h g a h a e h d. J e f e ea che e
    a a e ec . I e ha c e , e ec e- a g, a d
    e c b e a ed ced a -h e 1-h e e .
    We' e e e a bac ed e e a c e .

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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    BEC PURSER: S , h gh e e a e? O h a -ce ed e ha
    a bee hea f e ced b We e c e a d a e de c be
    e a ed h e g ha e a a e h a a d
    a a - a g age, he e f , he ab de a d dea h
    c c e . O ce aga , f c g ha a e h a . B
    d h ha e a e a d a , c c a ca , e e ha
    he ed e . S , f e a e e a e, he e h d e f
    cha ge? F , he d e , e ec a d c e a f a g.
    The ha e c ed de e h ac ce. M Oc Teache e
    a f he ac ce a d c e f e h g a h , a d I h gh
    ec e d h f f ha e ' ee . A f a e f ge a a
    f e d h h a c h e he e f e f S h Af ca.
    Lea g ab h a a ' d, a d be g a gh . I ' a e e
    a f f e d h a d a e eache . We ca I d ge
    a f g. D N a Sheeha , a W ad a a d acade c
    ec a g I d ge e ea ch e h d a d e ec f de g , h
    ha e e ed a UX A a a he a , de c be h a , e a
    he c ea e , a d g h g h I d ge h h ha e
    edge, de a ed b he de , he beha , a d he ac
    h he ef ec e . Sheeha de g I d ge edge
    a a a he c e e g , he e edge a ed a d
    de a ed h gh e f a ce, age , e , e ha
    ge he , a g f f ha ed h a a d -h a e e e ce ha
    c ec a g, ca g, e a ed e e.
    I h , he a de a e ha he a e a f a e a a
    h e. Acc d g ch a he a ea, he h e- e e h
    I d ge edge e e ge f he D ea g, a h gh e a
    d ffe f a a , a ha e c cha ac e c . The ac

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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    f c ea e be g a ed he a df , a , e e a d a a , a d
    d g a gh he e e ca e f ha he ha e c ea ed. The
    c ea e e e e de e de , e e a ed, a d e - e b e. The
    Ya a e e f he N he Te ee a a a e g a he
    a e a e a each he , be g f a d ffe e ha e. The e a e
    a a ha e he e a e a d he d ffe e ce be ee
    a d d g e he a ha e a e f ed h ca . I R e,
    he e e a f a g a d - g be g . N c ea e e
    ha a he e ec a a e e . S a , he Ma e e, he
    P e a I d ge e e f Ne Zea a d, ha e bee ca a g g f
    e ha 160 ea ec he e . I 2017, a g a ed
    e h d a a a f ach e g he a e ega a d g a a h a .
    Th de a e he e e h ch I d ge edge e
    e he e a a h e a d c de a a a d c e a e a
    ac . A d ffe a a ea de-ce e h a f
    de g a d e e e ce .
    We ca a e b ace he . S , c a he , a h g ca
    he , efe he a g e , h he e , a d h gh e e e
    a d e a a f h h a c e e e e e a e c ed, h
    he c e be f ed, h he cha ge, h he de e e e,
    a d h he d a ea . The e a e a a ca f
    de a d, e a , a d a e ed c g e b ec a e . The
    h d cha ge he a e a e , he h d ac he de g
    e e ea ch, a d he a ha e a a e f d g . The e a e a
    fe e a e . The e' d ff , h ch a , "H d h g e ac
    e a d ace " F c a , h ch , "Wha he e f a
    h g a c e?" E h c e ce - h d e e e ce e a d c a f
    he d he e ? I e ac - h d e e a c
    e ac he he a e a e ' a a f he c . I e e - f

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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    c a a a e e , h d a e he cha ge he e e
    h e e ? S c a - h ch he de g g c ha c ec
    h g h c e. A d he a c a a , h ch e' e a ead
    ed h a he e e h c.
    SOPHIE GOODMAN: S , ha ' he f e f e h g a h , he ? F ,
    eca , e' e a g g ha e h g a h - ha he e h g a h ha e
    a e fa a h e ea ch da ha bec e d c ec ed f
    f da . I ' f e e e ed a a e f a a e e e
    h a h a be g he h e. E h g a h a ed a a
    h a -ce ed de g e h d ha bee a def ed a d, a
    e c ed a e, h a -ce ed. Th f f e h g a h
    f c ed a g e ec e , de e he fac ha e e e ce ,
    e be g a d a a e e a g ed h he -h a be g . I '
    h e e a g he e ha he a e h f e h g a h a d HCD ha
    bee e cce f . HCD ha g e bea f de g ed d c ,
    e ce , a d e e e ce , ch a ff ce ace b f he aff ha a e
    hab g he a d g he e, ea e d g a e e e ce f
    c e acce g e e e ce , e e acce b f
    d c a d de ce , ba g a a d f a c a e ce f c e
    ha a e e a d e e, b ' a h a -f c ed. Whe e
    a e h e ch d e f a ec a a d a e f he A e ca bea e ? O
    he I d ge ce a d e ec e ab he c ea e ? S ch a
    he a e aced he edge f a . Th g bac ea e
    efe e ce f a c a a he , ha , ga ed, a d
    c ea ed he e h g a h a d ga a c e ge he , ha f e
    e e e ef h ce f he e f e h g a h ha e
    a e c ea g? N , a b ef b e e a de e he e ha ha c e
    a c e f F ca ' Pe d , h ch a ed f 1851

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  13. Ca LIVE Ra T a c
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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
    4
    de a e he Ea h' a . We' e g he e a e a ed
    h ha he def a d ac ce f e h g a h had g e fa
    e d ec , a d ch e a e d , gh eed a g
    bac . H e e , e fe h a ge g ca gh fa a a e f
    ea , f e We e - e h g, a e d e a e ea
    he e e . We a ed a e a h ha a e ea , e
    h ee-d e a , a d ha ' h e e he dea f F ca ' Pe d .
    Wha f e c d g e he dea f a e a h f a 3-D
    e d f e h g a h ? Whe e c d e be? H ca e b g he
    a e h gh f e he ec e ? Wha d ec de g
    a d he e ca a g be? Wh d a c a be? A d
    ha c e c d e de e f e had a e h a -ce ed
    a ach e h g a h c e ea ch? I a d ce a b a ch
    f e h g a h ha e c e b ace he e f e h g a h e' e
    a g ab - ec e e h g a h . I a f d ced 2010
    a ec a ed f he a C a A h g . I a he ,
    ec e e h g a h a e e he e a d f e f
    he ha h a , h e e e a e ca gh - . Wh e e e
    a e ca gh c e e a h h a e , c e . The e a e
    def he e ha e ab a e f he , b he e a e
    ha d e a a ge f ec e he ha h a , ha ac edge
    he e a g e e , e c ec ed e , a d e a h h he
    ec e ha h a . I d e ' a e h a e ce a . I
    add e e h ec e affec a d a e affec ed b c , ec c , a d
    c e. A d b d g , b g he be ef f e a d g
    de a d g f he d a d f e e a d he
    d a e a d e d a h a a d f e We e a f
    g a d h g.
    B e ca a h h g a e f he -h a

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  14. Ca LIVE Ra T a c
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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
    4
    c ec a d e a g e e be ee -h a ec e ,
    ch a a a , a a d bac e a, b a a a a d ca e ch a
    e a d a a ge , a d - g h g ch a b ,
    ach e , a f c a e ge ce, da a e .
    S , ha gh h f f e h g a h c e ea ch e? C d
    e de e e a f a e a g de h a e ? G g
    he f e d h c a ec e h ac a a a e e e ?
    Ha e a c e h a h ea e ed f g ec e ? C d c e ea ch h
    a c a h a e dee fa e ? S d b - - b
    a g h - - a e e e ac ? U e gh a he ec e
    c ea e -h a f f a f c a e ge ce? O gh a f
    be ed ca g he b c ab ec e ba ed e h g a h c
    e ea ch? F a ce, ha bee b h a a he f
    e c ach g ea he h e. We , e f h bab d a b
    ea c. He e a e e ac a e a e .
    The A a -C e I e ac Lab he UK ha c d c ed
    a c a h h a a ce d g de g d ace a d
    ech g e f a d g' f e . A d he e a e e ea g ea
    e ce e ab h he d d ha , c d g de a d
    de c f he h .
    The e' A e Ga a ' ec ha d he f e f Me
    hee b eed g Ne Zea a d he face f h g e c a e cha ge
    a d a a e fa e c ce . He c a e e h g a h a d
    ec a e f c , a d ha e e c a ed a a be g acce ed
    a a f he M e f A ed A c ec V e a. She a
    ab a e e e ce f e e h he d he g h a f c f
    hee . A a e a a , he he hee a e ca , he he'
    afe h e e . She e he a he c ca e h he
    ea a d a b d e e , he e e , a d ha cce f

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  15. Ca LIVE Ra T a c
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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
    50
    c ca e h a hee e a f h a -a ed
    de f c ca . She a a f h f he a e a d h
    he e a , h he hee h g be e ha he a f
    a , a d h he eg a e a f be g ge he h he . Tha he
    e d ffe e , ee d ffe e , a d e a c e e d ffe e e
    ca e, a d ha ' he f d d ffe e a f be g he d
    ha he' e e a c a ed . The e' a Sa ah Wha e' ,
    h ch c e he be ee a e a d c e, a e e e ed
    c e f c a d e e a a d a d c e . A d, a ,
    a he e a e ha I a ed ca a Th a D e a d
    Deb ah B d R e, h ha e e ed a c , ba ed he ch
    f e g a d f g f e , a d ha ac a ace S d e .
    S , h gh be a g d e e h e f
    e h g a h ? F , h e h g a h , e ha e bee ac edg g
    he g e ade a g e h g a h c e c a e g , b
    a deba g a def f ea . I acade c c c e ,
    a h g T I g d ha a g ed e h g a h ha bee a e e
    a d ha b e e f h ca g .
    I ' bee de c bed a a e f e e , ed a a
    b e , b a e a a e f he a e ea ch a d
    da a-c ec e h d ha e h g a h ca e . I d ,
    e h g a h c fe e ce , ch a E c, c e he e de c
    c e c a e g def e e h g a h a be g e ab e
    acce ea e e ea a .
    The e ee g c e c a e h g a he e ha a a
    ef a g b e eed e be d .
    S , h de g , he e' c ea g ac edge e e
    be d h a -ce ed e . S e f he e a ache d a ead be
    fa a a e dee he e da , ch a -h a -ce ed de g ,

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  16. Ca LIVE Ra T a c
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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
    51
    e e a de g , a d de g g h c . Ba ca , ee ha
    e' e e a a e f he b e . H e e , e' e g d . He e'
    e f a G g e ea ch f he h a -ce ed. Th " e ha
    h a -ce ed". Whe d e G g e e e e e ? Th
    e h g a h . A d h e h g a h ... Oh, . S ! Oh, . S ,
    g . Tha e h g a h c a ed - ec e e h g a h . Tha '
    - ec e e h g a h ed, gh d he b he e. S ,
    a h gh he e' e e e h g a h a d ' f e ed c e ed, e
    ha edge a d ea che f - ec e e h g a h
    d e ' e e eg e .
    Ye . S e h g d ffe e g g d he e! S , h gh e
    a e a d d g he e f e h g a h ha c a e
    d ffe e be g a d edge? A d e'd e gge a fe ac ca
    e . F , c ea e he edge f f da f a h g
    a d e h g a h ha e e a ea e e a d he ea - e e
    b e e h g a h , a d def f e h g a h a e e - .
    Sec d , ada c e a d fa a e e d he ec e
    e b ade - ec e a ache . A d he h d e gh be
    he e e d f c de a f he ec e he -h a
    h g , ch a b , AI, a d a a ed b ec .
    S , e f h a c a e a , b g a , a f
    a dde e h g a h d e ' e a -h e e e
    a e.
    S , e h e ha h a da c b e e a
    d c ab h a e h g a h . Tha f e g ha e
    h g, f c g d he abb h e h . A d f h ha
    a ed a dea f , e d e hea f , a e' e a
    e f ea g a d - ea g . A d he e a e a c e f h g
    e' e ead, a e a g he f he , a e ead g

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  17. Ca LIVE Ra T a c
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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    ha gh e a . A d a , a b ch f efe e ce . A d a a b g
    h - he g a h c he e a e f fab h e b . S ,
    L a M a , h e g ac e e ha . Tha . (APPLAUSE)
    STEVE BATY: Tha . J ha g a he S ac cha e , he e
    a e ' e h gh he e. B d e e he e ha e e ? A d,
    f , a e ha d a d I b g he c e . A d f , he
    I a e he a e e .
    BEC PURSER: We had e ed c ed e a e .
    STEVE BATY: Oh, d d ?
    BEC PURSER: Yeah, e d d.
    STEVE BATY: W . Y ' e ea e ed. D a a
    e ?
    BEC PURSER: S eb d d ca he fac ha a h g
    f e , e, "a h " f h a , " g " he d f. I ac a ea
    f c a , a he e e a f , ' ece a
    "h a ".
    STEVE BATY: I a c b , d g he a , I a c b he dea
    ha a f - a f cha e ge ha e face da a e he e f
    h a e a a g he e e f a e, e f h e e
    . We e , , a e a d he e e a e h g
    e a a e f h a a d h a ac . Th fee e a a f
    ec ec g a d e a g e h g a h b a a f he

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  18. Ca LIVE Ra T a c
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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    a a d, a d h e h ha e ?
    SOPHIE GOODMAN: I ea , I ag ee. B , , he e ?
    STEVE BATY: Uh... Yeah, d ag ee?
    BEC PURSER: Ye , ab e .
    STEVE BATY: A d ha d a ha ?
    BEC PURSER: We , I g e S h e e ed a he e d ha h a
    ce f e- ea g. We' e g h ace he e e ha e
    bee e a a ed f a a a d a e a d , e, - g c ea e .
    S , he dea ha he a e a e a a d ha e a e a a f a e
    ge he cha ge a f a ha e, f ea e b ace ha a
    a h gh .
    STEVE BATY: I h h ca e ca ed " he e gh e e ", ha
    ce f e a a g e e . A d h d gh , a ha e bee
    e e gh e g.
    SOPHIE GOODMAN: Yeah, I' g h beca e I' c a
    a ch g de a d ec e a d a ha f ff, a d eb d ...
    B I ca ' ge he efe e ce f gh , b a e ac
    ha - ba ca The E gh e e bab h d ' ha e bee ca ed
    ha .
    BEC PURSER: I d ' h he Da Age efe ed he e e a ch.

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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
    54
    STEVE BATY: N , , ha ' e. Tha ' e e. Yeah?
    >> He . Tha f he e e a . I had a e , h ch
    ab h d g ab e e g h ga a ?
    L e, h d ch f ha ? Ha e b e a ? H d e
    ?
    BEC PURSER: I' he e da a a a e c e , a a e e e a e
    f a g e e ga a . We a e ca e a e de a d I a
    a e a e dea h b, I' .
    >> H ece ed, a , e, e a ?
    SOPHIE GOODMAN: We , d g h a da a d e a g f
    ac a ba ca f ced Bec a d I ac a a g e h gh . A d,
    I ea , e d ' e ab he abb h e ha e g d . A d,
    , h ha bee a c e f ea f a g ab h f ff
    a d g e e e...
    BEC PURSER: A ab e...
    SOPHIE GOODMAN: Yeah, ha ' gh . B ge g c ea . L e, ha
    ac a he e , a d he a he e gh e g h ? S , ffe
    a b e . S , e f, af e da , e f h g ha
    a a bee , ea e d ' a e e e e h g a h a a e e .
    P ea e d ' e e a ab e h g a h a ab ea e e
    ea a , ? A d ha ' beca e ' e f e be g ed
    c a e h g e a e e ea ch, ? H e e , I'
    a g ea h ab , , , b g f a c e

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  20. Ca LIVE Ra T a c
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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    ec - I ea , e h g e he c de a f ec e a d
    e ghb h d . I ea , ha ' ac a e a - ha ' ch a
    fa -fe ched . I a h f c a ha a bee d g a f
    he ESG ace, ha ' a ea a a f , I h , f ha a
    e . I h c a e , h d g e , I h ha ' ea ce
    a e . S , I d h ha h e a e he e, b ea ha
    ce f - ea g e f he ff ha a ead g a ed, ha
    I h e' e g - b d g h da , a d e' e e ee hea
    f e e, da a d he b ea , e ce e a - h ha
    ea e ab ed a d ge c e ha eed e, be
    ab e b g bac e , , da -b d g f he
    A e ca bea e .
    BEC PURSER: I h ' a - , ' ece a g g a fa
    a c d g -h a e a , h ch d be g ea f d d, b
    ' a ab c d g he a a f de g a d a a f
    ce e . S , I a age a ea f e ce de g e , a f h h
    c e f a d a de g bac g d, a d I f e e he a
    ' he de g c e f e ea ch. Y d ' eed g bac f
    c e c ea e e h g e e g e e. The e ca be a
    a a g h c ge , , ea - he e dea a d
    a a h ha g ha e d e e e ece f he he a .
    SOPHIE GOODMAN: J e a h g ha , ac a , beca e I' e
    e e be ed ha I d d ge a e a a De g F e W h
    h a c eag e f e a c e f ea ag , he e I a he
    a , a d a a e e! S , I' e, "T ead f e,
    ea e." S , I ea , I' g , I' hea g a e b f a he e
    a d, f, a , ' b ha I' hea g beca e I a

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    N e ha h a ed ed a c f a e e e a d he ef e a c a e . Th a c he
    e f Ca LIVE a d he a h ed a e b e f a e a d a be c ed
    ed b a he a h a h a .
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    . I h e eed a ge g a b c ea e h h f h g,
    be h e d ffe e e ec e , a d h e e a h a e e b g g
    ?
    STEVE BATY: Tha , b h, e ch. Tha a g ea . Tha .
    (APPLAUSE)
    The e' a e e g cha e ge I h e face a e de g
    d ffe e h g . I h ha ' e, a ea he ha e d a he
    d , a d I he e a e a b ch f he e h a e ac e
    ed he de g f h g a he ha he e ea ch f h g . A
    e de g e h g , he a e f de a d g eed cha ge
    a e . Aga ha gh ee a b h g a b he a
    ge he ac ca e f ha d e ac a ea de a d
    e h g e a a e ha d e ac a ea de a d
    a a a a f a c e ha d e ea de a d
    e a a ade? A d de g h e h g a b ec f de g ,
    a a e e c e, I had a c e a a fe ea bac h a c a f a
    de g e a d e e e a g ab h f h f he f
    h g e ca de g a d he ca e f a d a de g
    bac g d. The e ec e a e ch a d he de g f
    h g . The a ed e he e e "Whe be a f ed,
    e f he f b e ha de g g?" I ga e he e a e
    f "Whe a c de d a de g e , I be
    a f ed". Whe he Fede a B dge a de g ed b ec a he ha a
    ca b ec b a de g ed b ec , he g h gh a ce ha
    e he f h g ha e d d de g a e ce, a
    a ca , a ece f ech g ha e e b e g h gh ha
    a e ce a e h e ca ch ce a e h e f d g
    ch ce a d ha a e he f h g ha e f d, he I a

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