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Plato Discussion

nichsara
October 04, 2013

Plato Discussion

nichsara

October 04, 2013
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  1. Discussion:  
    Art  and  the  Ideal  in  Ancient  Greece      
    Plato,  “The  Quarrel  Between  
    Philosophy  and  Poetry:  From  The  
    Republic,  Book  X”  from  Aesthe&cs:  A  
    Cri&cal  Anthology,  pp.  20-­‐31.  

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  2. Terms  for  Plato:  
    •  Techne  (Tek-­‐nay):  Any  applicaMon  of  skill  or  
    knowledge  (includes:  carpentry,  painMng,  
    poetry,  rhetoric,  governing,  etc.)  
    •  Mimesis  (Mi-­‐may-­‐sis):  ImitaMon  of  Truth,  
    especially  in  reference  to  the  work  of  the  
    “craQsman.”  
    •  Essence/Truth:  The  highest  (or  “Truest”)  form  
    of  existence,  all-­‐encompassing  and  
    unchanging.    This  is  what  Forms  refer  to.  

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  3. What  is  the  fate  of  arMsts  in  Plato’s  
    Republic?    What  does  this  have  to  do  
    with  the  bed  analogy?  
    Free  Write  

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  4. God    CraQsman    Painter  
    Form    Product    Semblance  
    Real  Real  Not  Real  
    Hierarchy  of  Form  

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  5. Forms  of  
    Cogni,on    
    Degree  of  
    Reality  
    Examples  
    Knowledge/
    Understanding  
    A
    Intelligible  
    Forms  (ex.  Form  of  
    the  Good)  
    Thought   B MathemaMcal/
    TheoreMcal  
    Belief   C
    Visible  
    Physical  Objects  
    Conjecture/
    ImaginaMon  
    D Shadows  and  Images  
    Towards  a  higher  form  cogniMon  
    Towards    more  “real”  objects  
    Hierarchy  of  Thought  

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  6. The  Cave  Metaphor  form  Book  VII  

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  7. According  to  Plato,  how  are  “painters”  like  
    “poets”?    How  are  they  different?  

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  8. What  does  Plato  say  about  emoMon?  
    How  is  the  human  mind  weak?  

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  9. The  Soul  According  to  Plato  

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  10. Why  are  arMsts  (poets  and  painters)  
    excluded  from  the  Republic?  

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  11. In  this  reading,  Plato  makes  a  lot  of  damning  
    claims  about  the  acMons  of  the  arMst.    How  does  
    this  apply  to  the  “Canons”  we  have  discussed?  

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  12. Different  Roman  copies  (1st-­‐2nd  centuries  CE)  of  Myron’s  5th-­‐century  CE  bronze  original.  

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  13. The  Canon  of  Polykleitos  
    5-­‐40,  Polykleitos,  Doryphoros  (Spear  Bearer),  Roman  Copy  
    from  Greek  Original,  High  Classical  c.  5th  Century  CE  

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  14. Thesis  Statements…  
    •  …orient  the  reader  to  your  topic  and  how  you  
    will  be  wriMng  about  it.  
    •  …tells  the  reader  what  they  are  reading,  why  
    they  are  reading,  and  what  they  will  find  out.    
    •  …set  up  your  argument,  judgment,  or  insight  
    you  will  be  providing  the  reader.  
    •  …should  be  specific,  clear,  and  usually  argue  a  
    single  point.  

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  15. Thesis  Statements  
    There  are  many  differences  and  similariMes  between  the  Last  
    Suppers  of  Tintorego  and  da  Vinci.  
    Weak  
    In  Tintorego’s  Last  Supper,  food  takes  a  much  more  prominent  
    social  and  narraMve  role  than  in  da  Vinci’s  Last  Supper.  
    Strongest  
    I  would  like  to  talk  about  the  representaMon  of  food  in  the  da  
    Vinci’s  Last  Supper  and  Tintorego’s  Last  Supper.  
    Stronger  

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