Plato Discussion

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1. Discussion:  
   Art  and  the  Ideal  in  Ancient  Greece      
   Plato,  “The  Quarrel  Between  
   Philosophy  and  Poetry:  From  The  
   Republic,  Book  X”  from  Aesthe&cs:  A  
   Cri&cal  Anthology,  pp.  20-­‐31.  
   

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2. Terms  for  Plato:  
   •  Techne  (Tek-­‐nay):  Any  applicaMon  of  skill  or  
   knowledge  (includes:  carpentry,  painMng,  
   poetry,  rhetoric,  governing,  etc.)  
   •  Mimesis  (Mi-­‐may-­‐sis):  ImitaMon  of  Truth,  
   especially  in  reference  to  the  work  of  the  
   “craQsman.”  
   •  Essence/Truth:  The  highest  (or  “Truest”)  form  
   of  existence,  all-­‐encompassing  and  
   unchanging.    This  is  what  Forms  refer  to.  
   

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3. What  is  the  fate  of  arMsts  in  Plato’s  
   Republic?    What  does  this  have  to  do  
   with  the  bed  analogy?  
   Free  Write  
   

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4. God    CraQsman    Painter  
   Form    Product    Semblance  
   Real  Real  Not  Real  
   Hierarchy  of  Form  
   

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5. Forms  of  
   Cogni,on    
   Degree  of  
   Reality  
   Examples  
   Knowledge/
   Understanding  
   A
   Intelligible  
   Forms  (ex.  Form  of  
   the  Good)  
   Thought   B MathemaMcal/
   TheoreMcal  
   Belief   C
   Visible  
   Physical  Objects  
   Conjecture/
   ImaginaMon  
   D Shadows  and  Images  
   Towards  a  higher  form  cogniMon  
   Towards    more  “real”  objects  
   Hierarchy  of  Thought  
   

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6. The  Cave  Metaphor  form  Book  VII  
   

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7. According  to  Plato,  how  are  “painters”  like  
   “poets”?    How  are  they  different?  
   

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8. What  does  Plato  say  about  emoMon?  
   How  is  the  human  mind  weak?  
   

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9. The  Soul  According  to  Plato  
   

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10. Why  are  arMsts  (poets  and  painters)  
    excluded  from  the  Republic?  
    

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11. In  this  reading,  Plato  makes  a  lot  of  damning  
    claims  about  the  acMons  of  the  arMst.    How  does  
    this  apply  to  the  “Canons”  we  have  discussed?  
    

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12. Different  Roman  copies  (1st-­‐2nd  centuries  CE)  of  Myron’s  5th-­‐century  CE  bronze  original.  
    

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13. The  Canon  of  Polykleitos  
    5-­‐40,  Polykleitos,  Doryphoros  (Spear  Bearer),  Roman  Copy  
    from  Greek  Original,  High  Classical  c.  5th  Century  CE  
    

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14. Thesis  Statements…  
    •  …orient  the  reader  to  your  topic  and  how  you  
    will  be  wriMng  about  it.  
    •  …tells  the  reader  what  they  are  reading,  why  
    they  are  reading,  and  what  they  will  find  out.    
    •  …set  up  your  argument,  judgment,  or  insight  
    you  will  be  providing  the  reader.  
    •  …should  be  specific,  clear,  and  usually  argue  a  
    single  point.  
    

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15. Thesis  Statements  
    There  are  many  differences  and  similariMes  between  the  Last  
    Suppers  of  Tintorego  and  da  Vinci.  
    Weak  
    In  Tintorego’s  Last  Supper,  food  takes  a  much  more  prominent  
    social  and  narraMve  role  than  in  da  Vinci’s  Last  Supper.  
    Strongest  
    I  would  like  to  talk  about  the  representaMon  of  food  in  the  da  
    Vinci’s  Last  Supper  and  Tintorego’s  Last  Supper.  
    Stronger  
    

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