Plato Discussion

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October 04, 2013

Plato Discussion



October 04, 2013


  1. Discussion:   Art  and  the  Ideal  in  Ancient  Greece  

        Plato,  “The  Quarrel  Between   Philosophy  and  Poetry:  From  The   Republic,  Book  X”  from  Aesthe&cs:  A   Cri&cal  Anthology,  pp.  20-­‐31.  
  2. Terms  for  Plato:   •  Techne  (Tek-­‐nay):  Any  applicaMon  of

     skill  or   knowledge  (includes:  carpentry,  painMng,   poetry,  rhetoric,  governing,  etc.)   •  Mimesis  (Mi-­‐may-­‐sis):  ImitaMon  of  Truth,   especially  in  reference  to  the  work  of  the   “craQsman.”   •  Essence/Truth:  The  highest  (or  “Truest”)  form   of  existence,  all-­‐encompassing  and   unchanging.    This  is  what  Forms  refer  to.  
  3. What  is  the  fate  of  arMsts  in  Plato’s   Republic?

       What  does  this  have  to  do   with  the  bed  analogy?   Free  Write  
  4. God    CraQsman    Painter   Form    Product  

     Semblance   Real  Real  Not  Real   Hierarchy  of  Form  
  5. Forms  of   Cogni,on     Degree  of   Reality

      Examples   Knowledge/ Understanding   A Intelligible   Forms  (ex.  Form  of   the  Good)   Thought   B MathemaMcal/ TheoreMcal   Belief   C Visible   Physical  Objects   Conjecture/ ImaginaMon   D Shadows  and  Images   Towards  a  higher  form  cogniMon   Towards    more  “real”  objects   Hierarchy  of  Thought  
  6. The  Cave  Metaphor  form  Book  VII  

  7. According  to  Plato,  how  are  “painters”  like   “poets”?  

     How  are  they  different?  
  8. What  does  Plato  say  about  emoMon?   How  is  the

     human  mind  weak?  
  9. The  Soul  According  to  Plato  

  10. Why  are  arMsts  (poets  and  painters)   excluded  from  the

  11. In  this  reading,  Plato  makes  a  lot  of  damning  

    claims  about  the  acMons  of  the  arMst.    How  does   this  apply  to  the  “Canons”  we  have  discussed?  
  12. Different  Roman  copies  (1st-­‐2nd  centuries  CE)  of  Myron’s  5th-­‐century  CE

     bronze  original.  
  13. The  Canon  of  Polykleitos   5-­‐40,  Polykleitos,  Doryphoros  (Spear  Bearer),

     Roman  Copy   from  Greek  Original,  High  Classical  c.  5th  Century  CE  
  14. Thesis  Statements…   •  …orient  the  reader  to  your  topic

     and  how  you   will  be  wriMng  about  it.   •  …tells  the  reader  what  they  are  reading,  why   they  are  reading,  and  what  they  will  find  out.     •  …set  up  your  argument,  judgment,  or  insight   you  will  be  providing  the  reader.   •  …should  be  specific,  clear,  and  usually  argue  a   single  point.  
  15. Thesis  Statements   There  are  many  differences  and  similariMes  between

     the  Last   Suppers  of  Tintorego  and  da  Vinci.   Weak   In  Tintorego’s  Last  Supper,  food  takes  a  much  more  prominent   social  and  narraMve  role  than  in  da  Vinci’s  Last  Supper.   Strongest   I  would  like  to  talk  about  the  representaMon  of  food  in  the  da   Vinci’s  Last  Supper  and  Tintorego’s  Last  Supper.   Stronger