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Alison De Kruiff & Bridgette Engeler - Design Research with Dementia in Mind

Alison De Kruiff & Bridgette Engeler - Design Research with Dementia in Mind

With approximately 472,000 Australians living with dementia and 1.6 million people are involved in their care in 2021, it’s not surprising that it’s perceived – and even feared - as ‘part of getting older’ but also not very well-understood. Many people living with dementia wish to continue living at home, so research is needed to find out how best to support them. This presentation discusses the practicalities of conducting design research with people living with dementia in the context of an 18-month in-home study. We’ll share some of the challenges, successes and insights showing how design researchers can make a positive impact on the lives of participants.

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March 17, 2022
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    i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 121 deme ia i ld. Of e he face challe ge f m igma i a i , fi di g e ice , ma agi g famil a d ela i hi a d mai ai i g elf a d ide i . Reall im a l , f m a e ea ch e ec i e hi i a g e i e medical c di i . Thi g ca cha ge dde l g ad all . A d e ea che ca ' al a ee a d e d decli e e e if he eed . Like he a ici a i h deme ia, e le i h deme ia ha e diffe e eed a i de a d i e e . H e e , i he ca e f e le li i g i h deme ia he e ca cha ge a he deme ia de el . Pe le li i g i h deme ia decli e h icall a d c g i i a d a ac i i a ia e a he a f he jec ma be h icall ible b he e d. O e ea ch a c d c ed de he c e f he S i b e U i e i h ma e ea ch e hic c mmi ee. Like all i e i ie i A alia e eed f ll he a i al a eme e hical c d c i h ma e ea ch. A e f g ideli e f c d c i g e hical h ma e ea ch. Whe i c me e ea ch i h e le li i g i h deme ia, e fi eed c ide if a ici a a e ca able f gi i g c e . Wha a f he e ea ch ca he gi e c e f a d h l g ill hi c e be f . D e c e eed be checked a e e i i ? Si ce a ici a ma ha e g d da bad da i h hei c di i . H d ec i ac hile ec i g he igh f he i di id al? S me ime a e ea che ha deal i h ick i a i . I ' im a la i lace f all f e eeable ibili ie . I ' e ibili afeg a d b h a ici a a d e ea che . S ha ' he la f e ec ed e e ? F i a ce, ha if i e ed d me ic ab e elde ab e i he h me? Pa ici a ma be able e he e i e hem el e a d e ea che ma be i e e ie ced. S ha i g ced e i lace f a i e ial ega i e e e ec b h
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    i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 123 e ice ha he eeded. Which a a bi f a bl i g a d he le f he e ea che a d ha e e e able alk ab a d ha e e e able ide a e ea che . Which b i g me he e i ab mai ai i g e ec f he a ici a a d hei e k. Thei e al e b a e el e a d hem. Beca e a e e e i g i hei h me. I f a h ime a e effec i el i e e i g i h hei da da ac i i ie a e i e ac i g i h hei life. Thi i l a g ea e ibili b i ' al a g ea i ilege be able d ha a d i ' me hi g e ill e e f ge a d me hi g ha a de ig e ea che h ld e e f ge . The ke fi di g , a ic la l a d ech l g beca e ha a he f c f he igi al b ief, a ha i i ible f e le age i lace a d i h dig i . I i c ea e c fide ce, a d a feeli g f i de e de ce ha be efi e e e. The ecific fi di g f m hi jec , hich em ha i ed ech l g e e ha he i g ech l g e e im le i ' al a be e . Ha i g a ld h e a be igma i ed. All ed e e a ld h e mea me e a familia i h i a d al e e ed hem f m i alli g da e ha he did ' k h k i h. Pe le i h deme ia ha e diffic l lea i g e e i e face , e b , e f e e l e e a d be m e c mf able i g a lde e a i g em beca e he d ' k h e he e e ff. Thi ca limi he de ig c me ibili ie a d i ce ai l c ailed he k e did i de el i g me f he ech l gie e ked . We al eed c ide he e f ech l g , i i ef l a d mea i gf l f he a ici a ? O f he e ? Beca e he d diffe e ca e . A d b h e iall e all im a a d eed be fac ed i he fi al c me.
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    i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 124 A d if i ' g i g be ef l f e f hem he f ge i . Y ca ' j f i ech l g e le beca e m i a i e ech l g i f e m e i dica i e f cce ha he abili f he de ig i elf. Big e i f a al ha ' he g i g ech ical . Ma f a ici a cha ged f m ADSL NBN d i g he jec , mea i g ha e a e ea che e e ggli g be ech - fi e l i e e e idi g ad h c a d i f mal ech e e ha de ice l ked b c i ed k h gh he h me. The e li i g i h deme ia a d hei e e ded e k, a ic la l he e h i ibl i he h me i h hem, ma ha e he fficie ech ical kill , k h , c fide ce be able fi a d da e i e a he c me . S ha did e lea ? A a f l l . C d c i g e ea ch i h e le i h deme ia i c ide he le f he a ici a , he e li i g i h deme ia fi a d f em . A m a d i de e de ce i he m ig ifica hi g, b e al eeded be mi df l f he eed el hei e e k i de a ici a e. S hi eak me f he hi g ha Ali ai ed al ead ab c e , h i ac all gi i g c e . Thi i c a l hif i g. S me ime he feeli g f i de e de ce i m e im a ha bei g bjec i el i de e de . S he e a l f em e me ha came f me e hi ki g he e e a d belie i g he e e able d hi g . The le f a a e ea che mea e e e ac all ki g i h a ici a a d e . The e e e hif i g le a d e ibili ie a d e ec ela i hi . Y a e i me e' h me a d i hei life e e ie ce. If g al i a e li i g i h deme ia a i g i h me f l ge f e i i he e h ill de e mi e h l g ha ' ac all fea ible. S i g he e ca be m e effec i e ha i g he e li e deme ia
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    i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 125 di ec l . E e ded e k ha bigge c mm i . The ig ifica ce f he l cal c ffee h i ha i bec me a ma ke f me e li i g i h deme ia a d he e' a familia i ela i hi ha ca be e abli hed. Which gi e a e e f i de e de ce a d e le a e able c i e d i g hei da da ac i i ie . A eighb ca be a f ha e k. S i mea i ' j he ech l g he de ice f he a ici a , i i he bigge c mm i a d hem ha ha a le i he ca i g a d he e e da ac i i ie . The im a ce f b e a i e de c i i . We had e a ici a h ld b h hei ee h f a he e a d be d 45 mi e beca e acc di g hei e i he i e ie he c ld ' emembe hich ee h he had al ead b hed he j ke g i g. We bega de ig ma mi a d ech ical e e a i i h i c i a d imi g f h b h hei ee h a d i he e d a cc a i al he a i h a e b Deme ia A alia b e ed he a ici a b hi g hei ee h. The e e f ge i g h a e he h b h. O ce ha a ed he a ici a c ld a e hei ee h de ec he e he had b hed a d he e he had ' b hed. S hei h b hi g i e fell back i a mal d a i . If e had li e ed he i e ie al e e ld ' ha e lea ha . A d i a al e gageme f ha b ade allied heal h ha made i ible f k i h ha i igh . Which i a he le lea . Al a i e a k be e e i a d d ' j ick he c i . The e a e ch i di id al a d a ic la ig ifica i di id al e e ie ce f deme ia ha e eeded ada e i a d e e he c e f each a ici a . I k ha d like a -b ai e , b i ac all i ' he a e ki g i e ig l c lled heal h-ba ed e ea ch he e
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    i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 126 e e hi g ig ed ff back h e e hic d he le e . S ha e be able k i hi e hic a d he c ai b ill i e e a eed . We al lea ed ha ca ' j e ff i a lab. D i g ff i h me mea e e ed i i h me a d e e e d i g e ea ch i he h me, i a ' a he i ed e i me , i al mea e ill be e e a ed a d ead f hi g k a d ead f hi g k g g i a f ll i g i i . We had a heelie bag e ca ied i h i h a h le l f ff. We al lea ha hi g like ba e ie , hi g like i g cha ge had be a f l he ce i h he a ici a a d hei e le, b i he d c me a i he emi de ha hi g migh eed be cha ged, hi g migh eed be - ba e ie migh eed be cha ged. S he im a ce f m a d i c i . Pe le a k ha d a d he a ha e c l. I ' ha a m a d i de e de ce b he al eed he i e d c me a i a d he d c me ha c me i h i alla i , ge a d gle a d ff like ha a e ele . I eed be laid a a f a ce . The e a a eleme f e ice i i a d e ice de ig i h e did hi i he d c me a i . B m im a l , he i c me he ech l g , e ha e be able c m leme e le' li e ac , hei i e e , hei ca abili ie a d hei acce . The e e e e le h had i e e i ech l g ha e e , a d m e a i e l i e i i g i e ac i had be ialled. O he e le had l f e e ie ce a d l e hei de ice a d l ed ha i ga e hem. The GPS e abled hem ge f he h e hile he k e h e i . B ha cha ged a d bei g able gi e ha eleme f i e a d deligh , challe ge e le e hi g a g ea i h me f he ma h me e ce e ha e a ailable .
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    i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 127 I e m f i f f e e ea ch ha ld e d agai ? Wha ld e d diffe e l ? O ad ice el e a d e e e el e i b e e e le d i g hi g . D ' j i e ie hem. The ma eali e ha he blem i . A d ha ich de c i i i im a b ha e hea i f m hem a d b e e hem d i g i . Re ea ch eed be e he l g- e m a d i he h me. I di id al c e a d eed ill diffe . A d he cha ge e ime. The migh cha ge e a eek, he migh cha ge e a m h. A d he ca be ig ifica cha ge i ha ime. A d a lab c di i ill eflec ha , a ic la l he e e da ac i i ie a d e eciall he i c me e ech l g . A he ame ime, he i di id al c e i elf ill diffe m ch ha i ' im ible ge e ali e m f he fi di g all e le li i g i h deme ia. O e de ig d c ca e i e m l i le e a , m l i le e ca e a d e j e i de f ll e l e he e ial a d fi d a a f i hel a a ie f e le li i g i h deme ia. We f d ha c mi a i f ech l g l i h gh m d la de ig d c a he m i able e e e all. The e c ld i eg a e he diffe e de ig i ge he a d c ea e a h li ic ech l gical e i me ha a i able f each i di id al' eed a d m i a i i hi hei li ed c e . S m ch i de e da he e . The ide ig ifica b diffe e i de e di g he ela i hi a d hei eed f each e . A d i i i al, ab l el i al kee hem i he e ea ch a d i l ed a d e gaged a d c mm ica i f e ca be di ec ed h gh he e he a ici a . The e li i g i h deme ia. D ' f ge ha im ac f he cial e k. The e - a k ha le diffe e e le la i e e da , h ca i g hem hel he e li i g i h deme ia a d he
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    i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 128 e beca e he f e eed a diffe e ki d f . Which b i g me a big le f , elf-ca e f e ea che . Y ha e g de a d le a d a k ab acce a ia e . B i ' de a di g ha he e i a - hi i g i g be i e i ima e, ha e g be able alk eam ab ff, ha e g lea ec g i e he eed . A d ha e le i ba icall . The e ill be all f hi g c me agai . The e ill be he c cei able i e a d he he i c cei able e . S ca kee i g a ici a a d hei e k, b al he e f eam a e ea che . Big e f , a d e b h a e em i al e le, be e a ed ca e. Thi i a 18 m h jec a d e ha ime e had eall g b d i h he e le ha e e e mee i g i h. The k e a l ab a d e k e a l ab hem. S e e e em i all im ac ed b i . A d a ic la l he he he ffe e back he ge bad e . Y ca al celeb a e i h hem b he he - he gh ime a e he gh ime . Re ea che e eed l k af e el e , hi i a ge e al hi g. We eall m l k af e el e a d l k af e each he . Of e e ea ch mee i g ld i l e e le g h di c i f he e em i al a ec a d hi h ld be fac ed i a ki d f e ea ch la i g. We ha e g a li f efe e ce ha ha e bee ed i he e e a i i cl di g a c le f iece ha ha e bee bli hed f m he jec i elf. A d ha ' a e am le f e f he ech l gie ha e de el ed. D a ickl - >> A me i ed e ed a l f m d la hi g k ge he . S e f he e e f d e cce f l a he ech d he Ale a. F e le h did ' ha e f m f a ha ia he e he l he abili
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    i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 129 alk beca e f c e he e a e all he e diffe e e f deme ia, f he e le h e e ill ca able f alki g i a ac all a e i i i e i e face be able fi d ha he da i . Beca e ha ' e f he hi g ha e le i h deme ia f e a k , i fac a l f he a ici a ld b he e a e e e da , im l i c ld i he able a d he e i h deme ia c ld c me al g a d fig e ha da i a , ha ime i i , if i eg a e a cale da he ca fi d he a i me a e. Ne i e ha e a iPad i h a c m de ig ed m ic a he e he c ld im l ch e ha m d he a ed li e . A l m e im le ha m m ic a a d e f d ha ha a cce f l. A d al b e c d c i g head h e e e g d beca e i mea i did ' bl ck he i e , c e a i , b he c ld li e m ic a d f c e m ic he a i ed a l i - i h e le li i g i h deme ia. >> A d he e i j a fe m e efe e ce he emai i g age . We ca ee me e i c mi g i he Q&A. The b i j le i g me cl e i . S he e i l f i f ma i he e. Tha k e m ch f he c mme ha a e c mi g h gh i he cha . We eall a ecia e i . I i eall , eall l el ge ha feedback. Y d la gh. Y d c a d ab l el ca e. We ge - eah e ge a bi em i al. We k h m ch i make a diffe e ce. A d i a a g ea jec be i l ed i h. We a e e d f i . >> Ye . >> A d e e j bei g a a f he jec , me f he a ici a had c me i f c i g ha he had l a a e l f he c di i b ac all fi di g ha he c ld d m e ha he had h gh ha
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    i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i . Page 130 he c ld d bef e a d ge i g m e i l ed i c mm i g , blic eaki g. Thi g like ha a d ac all fi di g ha a ici a i i he jec be efi ed hem i he l g h gh a ha e did la a d he did a ici a e. S i a a eall e a di g jec be a f. >> The e' a g ea e i ab hi g cha gi g da da . S f b e a i ab aki g defi e he le g h f he e ea ch i h each a ici a make e e ca e he m acc a e da a ible. D a m ch a ca a d be e a ed cha ge. We ld ha e i i ched led e a a ic la e i d f ime ba ed ha e eeded d ge k d e. We had lead ime f deli e able a d e le ld ca cel beca e he had a d c ' a i me he had a ch i e i g g . A d imeli e g h a ed e a d e a d e agai . B k ha , i ' ab he e le ha ' e e ea chi g i h, ab he deli e able a he e d a a deadli e. S eah. >> While e did a a e age f i i i e he 18 m h he e e e l f h e call be ee h e i i , alki g h e, he e a d he e li i g i h deme ia fi d if hi g had cha ged, if he e a a addi i al hel he eeded. A d fi di g addi i al i f ma i . S e c mbi ed b h me h d f ge i g ha da a. >> Ye . S ha k all. STEVE BATY: Tha k b h m ch. A de f l .
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