Brooke Jamieson - The Persuasion Equation | how to effectively communicate results to people who don’t want to listen - Transcript

What’s the point of working hard to achieve results if no one cares when you tell them? How can you get people to make decisions about UX without getting caught up in spiralling conversations about UI? This session will present a winning workflow for UX researchers, designers and developers so they can make their voice not only heard, but also valued, when they present their work to clients and colleagues.

Working in male-dominated fields and industries was really frustrating at first, because I always felt like an outsider. I used to find this really frustrating, until I found ways to make my voice heard, even when I wasn’t the loudest voice in the room. “The Persuasion Equation” is a series of strategies that I have crafted and iteratively improved over my career, which you can apply in your next retro, review or presentation.

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2. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   BROOKE JAMIESON: Hell .
   STEVE BATY: Thank f j ining .
   BROOKE JAMIESON: Thank f ha ing me. Techn l g , i ' n le ing
   me d an hing n . I ha e i and e en a a en l , I'll be back
   in j a m men .
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   , n b a d i i nde f l ha e ha . We d ha e m e
   n c ming n f he UX A alia c nfe ence and he e ill be
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   e e ne kn , he call f e en e f UX A alia i c en l en
   and i cl e n he 21 hich i S nda e ening a midnigh . S
   ha e a fe da . I ' i ing he e a ching he e le e en hei
   idea ha made hink "I can d ha ", hen I ngl enc age
   i e me hing and bmi i . Hell B ke.
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3. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   BROOKE JAMIESON: Can e e ne ee m lide n ha e ha e
   e c me hi .
   STEVE BATY: Ye .
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   I'm b adca ing da . E eciall a a e ea ch ba ed c nfe ence I ld
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   hich i h effec i el c mm nica e e l e le h d n' an
   li en. I i h I had a h e a i e he i le. I died e
   ma hema ic a ni e i and I' e g ne k in ma ke ing b ne
   hing ha ' al a been i e c mm n i I ne e fi in i h he c a e
   land ca e. I ne e le ha me b I ned me n g d
   e e ience f m ea l in m ca ee in a egie ha I can n ha e
   he can make hei ice hea d in an gani a i n.
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   f lk me. I ld end a l f ime in he ce n ac all d ing
   an hing, hen ab l el anicking and make i he dead line. Thi a
   eflec i e f he fi ea f m ca ee . And hi i eall ha i
   l k like me ea l n. J a l f im e nd me and anic a he
   a , and hen l f blem l ing and e en m k and hen I'd
   be f a ed a he end beca e ei he n - ne hea d me ca ed ha I
   

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4. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   aid. I a f a ing ing a l f ime in ge ing e l ha a he
   end n n ca ed ab . The h le e a i n D nn if me ne ca e hen
   ld hem ab i .
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   c n , I a I alk e le find he e i n and I alk da a
   find he an e . An ne king in UX e ea ch ill kn he e
   a a e im an b need ha en in andem. S he a ici an in
   die , e g b al he akeh lde in
   gani a i n he akeh lde f he gani a i n ' e c n l ing .
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   cce minimi e he ime end anicking and eall ma imi e
   he benefi can ge f m k.
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   hing like AI and da a c nfe ence and I lef hi lide in beca e i ' a
   eall g d ie in h he benefi ha m a ici an ld
   ha e. C ming f m a e e e ience backg nd. When I e lain hi
   f a e de el e , I al a a i i like P kem n and hich i beca e
   need nde and ha hei m i a i n f being in he m and
   ha he an hea f m . A e e ienced fe i nal
   al ead d hi beca e hi i b ilding a e na, and nde and
   hi a ec f i . I end being like he l mbe i h he leak ea e a
   a h me, ' e a leade in he field ab hi . I ' ab aking hi
   e e nal fea e. B inging ha e e nal ce in e nal and hinking
   ab h am I g ing e en m e l . S if he CFO i in he
   mee ing, f e am le, make e ela e e l m ne if
   he e' me ne f m e le and c l e he e, need h h i
   im ac HR. Thi idea f b inging e e hing al ead kn ab e
   e ea ch in hen ' e e en ing in e nall ill eall e elf f
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5. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   e le, j beca e he ' e mi ing he h mili a ec f i . A he end
   f he da e e b d i eall b . I feel like e le a e ing m e
   and m e hing back back n he d n' ha e h icall m e
   be een he lace . Tha mean ha e ake ime be he e,
   he i e he n' ee an hing and he n' be li ening an hing
   ' e a ing. If he ha e in i ed c me and eak, hink ab
   h he in i ed in he fi lace beca e he e' babl a e
   g d ea n. U all i ' beca e he an make a da a d i en
   deci i n. Thi can mean a l diffe en e le b i ' an im an
   c n e nde and ha ha mean f e e e n in he mee ing
   and ha he an ge f hi . The e' man da a in ha
   can c llec ba ed n a i de and beha i b i ' eall a da a
   d i en deci i n d e im l ha a deci i n ill be made and ha ' eall
   im an kee in mine hen ' e f m la ing e l and
   e en ing hem. Beca e ha a e aiming f .
   The he ide i be da a d i en and n da a de ailed. Thi i he
   idea f making e ' e making a deci i n, and n j finding ne
   hing e ea ch. Thi i ne f he hing ha if ha e limi ed
   b dge i ' eall im an f c a en i n n ha ' im an
   beca e b i l c ld e ea ch e e hing f e e b ha ' n
   al a ainable in e e eam and b ine .
   And hi i eall ab inac i n. S hi i n ac al da a. Thi i
   j m e e ience b i eall feel like he 80/20 le in ha 20 e
   cen f he da a ' e king i h ill ide 80 e cen f he
   al able in igh . W king n eamlining hi eall d e c me d n
   h ' e e en ing , and ha he ca e ab and he e f
   deci i n he ' e making. Thi ill make e ' e n a ing ime
   king hing d n' nece a il ca e ab . I ill kee a
   a h ha i m e i e a i e e ime. The h le c nce f hi i hen
   

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6. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   me ne d e in i e ei he nde ake e ea ch f hem e en
   he e l f m ha , need nde and he e a e he n and
   he e d he need be. Tha big a in he middle i , ha ' h
   can k h can e da a ge ha end in . Al a
   he a lica i n f i changed b he f ndamen al kl ad d e n . If
   can ge a g d g a me ha me ne i e e iencing n ill
   eall hel , e eciall if ' e al d ne me ma king and hen k
   ecificall he e he need be. Tha can al be a nd hen
   ' e ing k da a ge hem he e, a k ha da a in
   ld change ha ld im ac a diffe en deci i n f m . I ' n
   j ab he deci i n he ' e ing make b eall need ge
   he b m f ha he i i i e and h he i i i e c nce .
   And hen ' e e en ing da a, i ' eall ea j gl
   e and h h , ha , he e and hen. Thi i eall ba ic in an
   f da a i ali a i n, hi i a eall ea lace a b need
   b ild n ha i h c n e . And ha ' he e he h and he h c me
   in. S he e i fig e hen he a alking ab he ab ac , he
   fi ening a a a ing i h h , and he he a h he
   e ea ch i nde aken. The be hing ha can ha en i an e ec i e
   ill ee he h , ha , he e and hen and hen ill h hem an
   in igh , ime n he d c inc ea ed b 20 e cen , i a
   hi m ch fa e , and he fi e i n he 'll a k i ei he h did ha
   ha en h did d ha . If ' e n e a ed an e h e
   e i n ' e g ing ge in he mee ing and n be able
   engage i h e le, beca e he h and he h a e eall im an
   he deci i n-making ide f he ce , b he eall lean n he h ,
   ha , he e and hen being b . I ' ab making e ' e
   e a ed f an h and h e i n ha c me king i h
   c ela i n and ca a i n and making e ' e n ge ing ck
   

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7. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   gi ing inefficien ad ice.
   And hi i f m T m Fi hb ne hi c mic, ill l e hi bl g
   b hi , I al a c me back a a c mic. S an ime da a i e en ed
   hi i ha ha en , i ' ime e le an h de da a. The eall
   d n' nde and ha ' g ing n. S eall hi i a eall g d
   i ali a i n f making e nde and n nl he e le ' e
   king i h h he da a b ha he ecificall ca e ab . I '
   im an make e ha ' e gi ing hem e e hing he need
   make ha deci i n b n m ch.
   And hi i beca e eall need begin i h he end in mind.
   S he be hing ha can ha en af e ha e a e en a i n
   me hing like ha i a e n in he a dience ill b m in me ne in
   he hall a , ha ' in a h ical k lace and he ill a B ke did a
   g ea alk. Y need e each a dience membe i h he a he
   can e en hi back me ne el e. If i ' a leade in he a dience, i
   ill make hem feel like a be e leade . B ' e making e he
   nde and and ' e eall ken hem. Like ha P kem n
   ca d e na. Y need make e ha ' e gi en each e a a e
   e n diffe en an and need and diffe en hing he ge f he
   e en a i n. S a ing i h he a ha an hem ell me ne
   el e ab i i im an . And if ake n hing el e f m da , j
   hink f i . J hink f h ill he ell me ne in he hall a ha
   ' e ken ab . An ime ' e e en ing in a k lace, beca e
   i ' da n ing g in an f eaking engagemen and hink ha
   j b he e i be he ld' be fig e, n mbe ne ha ' eall
   ha d and ill e elf fail, and n mbe , i ' n ac all
   ha im an . The im an a f e en ing i i ha he
   nde and and he can a i in hei n d .
   Thinking ab in ead f b inging i back, in ead f hinking
   

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8. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   ab e e hing ha need ell hem and e e ingle da a in
   and e e in li le iece in ead b ing i back and hink ab ha a e
   he fe hing ha an hem a n me ne el e and ha
   ill he be and hi ill hel ge n a a h ha ' eall
   c n c i e and m e f a d in a a ha e ca ee f
   leade hi a ell. If ' e ge ing he b m f nde anding ha
   leade an and make deci i n , j being a nd ha f h gh
   a e n ill hel e f ha a ell. A ide f m he ac al
   e en a i n f e l i ill be a i i e infl ence in life and ca ee
   m e gene all .
   And he e ake h me in ha e le ill a , hen he ell
   me ne ab i , he e' h ee hing ha I kee in mind, be
   n able, ela able and e ainable. N able, me hing ha i eall high
   l ea n ea . Wha can c m a e i . An hing ha and a
   l . Tha a ec i eall im an e ime hen can ee h
   e e hing i g ing, and can hen, hen ha e lie in da a,
   ei he high l he gi e a eall g d a ing in f
   e ea ching in he c n e al elemen f he da a ha a e infl encing
   he em a a h le. S he n able a i eall im an b h f
   e le emembe ing he in b al making, he e ea ch
   deci i n and he a e en deci i n .
   And ela able can mean ela ing me ne. Like I aid ea lie if
   ha e he chief financial ffice in he m, h ing he m ne he
   e ning n in e men c a ing ma be if i ' an in e nal
   d c f in e nal e, if ' e a ed ime, ' e a ed each e 10
   min e f ime e da , add ha e a ea and 'll be able
   a m ne a fig e n h m ch m ne ' e a ed hem. Thinking like
   ha ill hel be a be e e en e and make e he emembe
   ha e en . Thi i im an in an eme ging field, ma be
   

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9. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
   i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
   c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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   me ne i a e adi i nal b ine e n and he d n' nde and
   he al e f e e ience. S me f hi i ab ed ca ing he
   akeh lde in a mee ing and make e nde and h i ' al able.
   And b i l i ld be g ea if e e ne nde d he al e f e
   e e ience b ha ' eall ha d d .
   And he hi d a i e ainable. S an hing ha ill hel e le
   emembe . H can ell hem i h a he 'll emembe ell
   hem in a a ha he 'll be able ell me ne in a hall a , hing like
   ha .
   S he e a e m ke in I ld like emembe , he fi
   ne i he ke i h mani . Unde and ha e en a i n i babl
   n he m im an hing in ha e n' da , b ha d e n' ma e
   and ha d e n' mean can' find a a make i eall im ac f l.
   The ec nd in , h did he a dience h . Wha i each e n in
   ha e en a i n, eading he e , h a e e eading i . H can
   ell he i h c n e ha a lied each f he a dience
   membe . Reall im an . When he e e ea ch i n' g ea f hi
   beca e he e' al a e le in l ed hich make i a l ea ie ell
   ie . The f h i begin i h he end in mind, hinking ab he
   a ha an each e n e en in back me ne
   el e in he hall a . Tha ill g ide cce . The fif h ne i e ie
   and im e i e a i el . Y ill n be he be f he ga e . Tha '
   fine, n - ne i he be a he a . Think ab li le hing can
   change, b eflec n ha did eall ell and make e d ha
   eall g d hing be e ne ime. W k ha feel na al f
   and h can im e i e a i el in he e f k ha ' e d ing.
   Thi i m la lide hank e m ch e e ne f c ming. I
   eall ha e i ed h gh hi if he e' an f he inf ma i n I can
   ide feel f ee each me n LinkedIn. I ' im an f
   

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10. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
    i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
    c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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    link ab h can ge hi g ing in e m f n k lace, b
    be a be e a dience membe hen ' e g ing a ch e le eak,
    i he e an ne ea l in ca ee a c m an ha ge
    eam lled a mee ing i ne e en a all. If e
    and men hem in hi ce , ill bec me a be e eake
    and hel hem change eali icall he ajec f ca ee . I ' a
    g d a f benefi hile hel ing me ne el e. I ld like
    lea e i h ha c nce hinking ab h can k n a
    im e he li e f c lleag e .
    Thank m ch f ha ing me. If e ha e an e i n in cha , I
    ill an e hem.
    STEVE BATY: Thank B ke. Tha a a e me.
    BROOKE JAMIESON: Thank m ch.
    STEVE BATY: I'm ck n in ha e e in he e. Tha e la
    ne a nd hel ing he , and ha ' f en a eall g d a hel
    el e . Teaching he e le and men ing and c aching he
    e le i a g d a c alli e n hinking an a .
    The he ne, I i h hi a ad ice ha m e e le g m ch
    ea lie in hei ca ee , hich i ha ' e ne e g ing nail me hing
    he fi ime d i . Y ' e nl g ing ge be e e ime and
    l king f a ac all ge g d feedback i a c i ical a f in ha
    a ell. Y can k a ge e be e a ha ' e d ing b ha
    feedback i c i ical life kill.
    BROOKE JAMIESON: Ab l el . I didn' he lide in hi b hen I
    e en f a e de el e a ell, I ha ed he nd f m n
    

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11. N e ha hi i a edi ed a c i f a li e e e a d he ef e ma c ai e . Thi a c i
    i he j i e f Ca i LIVE a d he a h i ed a e ible f a me a d ma be
    c ied ed b a he a i h a h i a i .
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    ice, I ill f d . The a e en hen eall can' and
    n ice and ' e ne g in f n f e le i ec d
    elf, b n mbe , an c ibe i and in ead a he ac al d
    ' e a ing and hen d n' ha e l k in elf and ha '
    fine. Y 'll n ice diffe en a e n , ma be al a end en ence he
    ame a , ma be aid me hing ha a eall clea and
    an be able i e d n h aid i and an d he
    ame ne ime. The e' man a im e f m he c mf f
    n m. The e' l f i n .
    STEVE BATY: One he h bi f ad ice e f en e hen e' e
    gi ing e a a i n i ec d hem, and f n benefi , b n
    m ch ec d ha e aid in he e en a i n i elf, b ha e i n
    came in e n e he e en a i n and h e an e ed hem. And
    ha can hen be ed i e a e he e en a i n ne ime cl e an
    b i ga in he e en a i n. S if ha e i n kee c ming
    can add e i eem i el a he han lea ing he e en a i n and
    ha ing ha e i n c me and ha ing an e i .
    BROOKE JAMIESON: The e' eall g d inf ma i n can ha e e
    ime. If ' e n l king f hi inf ma i n 'll hink he e' n hing
    c ming in. I he e' all f feedback da a.
    STEVE BATY: Thank m ch B ke.
    O la e en a i n cl e da c me f m a g f
    e le, and I call i a g . The e a e f e en e ab c me
    nline. We ha e Pa l and Bec f m Meld S di and e ha e Sean and
    Pe a f m In ideO In i e. Hell , hell , hell . And Sean, hell . H i
    e e b d ?
    

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