event and therefore may contain errors. This transcript is the joint property of CaptionsLIVE and the authorised party responsible for payment and may not be copied or used by any other party without authorisation. Page 52 evolve service delivery to reflect the changing world we live in. I couldn't agree more. What do we need to do to evolve that service delivery. What do we need to do to design in that complex system and by a main complex system I don't mean technology but the relationships and interactions that make it complex. At ThinkPlace we have a way of designing within a complex system. We are looking at those relationships, those independent parts, those relationships between and how they work and it is a really unpredictable kind of landscape that you are in and they comprise sometimes of many different parts. These can be a mix of individuals, companies, organisations, piece of last few years, technology and more and while these parts are independent, their relationships between them with lodge numbers of nonlinear interactive elements, complex systems are unpredictable. At the same time they unfold over time so they have got something called emergence where sometimes, you know, you can't see things coming, you can't plan for it. So you can call it dynamic, even organic. I really love the new and design squiggle to articulate a complex - designing in that complexity. We have this - this is actually a picture of our ThinkPlace cafe wall. I like to call that squiggle inside that messy middle because when you are attacking a problem, when you are deep into your researches, process mapping, how do you know how to navigate between that mess, that squiggle? This is where I like to add the lens of the strategy level and the project level. Why both these, I guess, lenses, it's because all departments, even organisations, have a strategy, have a purpose, a vision, a drive and all projects - and there's many projects usually, not just one - have their direction, what they need to do, different research patterns, different teams, different deliveries and so how do you actually get to that design innovation. At ThinkPlace I like the designers to do a bit of this exercise where