August, 2019 Page 2 of 11 people. We are designing for beautiful, messy, complex people. This is a comment that was made yesterday in the other room, in the ethically designed discussion. It was, when will we replace customers and users and start calling them humans? That's what we all are, and that is who we are designing our products and services for. It's important that we remove that customer lens, and we understand people, where they are coming from and their contacts around it. Between Tash and I, we worked out we have 15 years of experience in this space. that's not just exclusively as designers, we want to share the stories we have and the knowledge we have gained along the way. We want to share with you our point of view. What we believe is that if we start at the definition of vulnerability, we can elevate everyone in the room, and beyond, then it makes it less scary to talk about vulnerability and designing for people that come from these circumstances. Introduction, now that I have bored you with 15 minutes of talking. I am Chloe. Hi! That is my beautiful family on… What side is that? My right, your left. I don't know if you have noticed, but I am a black woman. I wear my identity on my sleeve. Often times because I am a black woman, I am part of a marginalised community, that is often times taken advantage of. We will talk about these different groups of people and how marginalised community can become more vulnerable. I have experience with layers of vulnerability, Liz Jackson who I think is in the room, she talked yesterday about how important it is to not just design with empathy, but to design with lived experience. We believe the same thing. I worked with survivors of sexual assault, survivors of child sexual abuse, I have worked with veterans, and also people that are homeless, people that are unemployed and elderly. I am currently working with chronically and terminally ill patients. Or people, I should say. I am passionate about this, I come from a privileged place. I get to sit at a table with executives and people like yourself, and tell their stories. Not only my story, but their stories. To become a voice for the voiceless. NATASHA BALLANTYNE: I am Tash, I work with Chloe. Working for a big corporation comes with some bias, it also comes with an amazing opportunity for us to pool our resources and make a difference. It's not about what organisation we work for, it comes down to people. The people we work with and design with. It's us as individuals, we are people too. We have our own vulnerabilities we experience. It's about taking stories from different types of people and about sharing those stories to effect change. It's not just on us to share those stories, it's on us to bring them along and have those stories heard, and support them to tell their stories of vulnerability. Part of our role as designers is about challenging what projects we are working on, challenging whether or not we are designing to make a difference to people. Ultimately, what it comes down to, it is no longer angers is for us to say that we work for a big corporation, that has constraints.