Luisa Faßbender (Project Manager) and Christian Spoo (Senior Developer) have been working alongside each other at Marketing Factory Consulting GmbH in Düsseldorf for almost 4 years. Manpower Shortage and Inquisitiveness led them down the road of rethinking departmental egoism, where the idea of the “programming PM” was born. Tune it to hear, how they established the idea within the existing company structure, which steps they’ve already taken and which results have already been accomplished!